Did Baraboo WI suddenly turn Nazi?

Congratulations!

If you were never young and stupid

When Cousin Johan and your Humble Bloggeur were pre-schoolers, we thought it advisable to slather cousin’s basement (and ourselves, as it transpired) in green paint. Aunt Laura was not amused, to put it kindly.

Seemed like a good idea at the time. Which is to say young people make stupid mistakes. Especially high school boys in Baraboo WI appearing to fly the Nazi salute. Heaven help most of them if they’re ever nominated to the supreme court!

Baraboo salute

The photograph is a political Rohrsach test. Some viewers profess to see only high schoolers waving to the viewer. Indeed, some elbows ARE bent. But others appear to be doing the evil salute: arm straight out at 135 degrees, palms down and fingers tight. Or were they caught in mid-motion? (Which is why this blog ran what we believe to be an actual, unretouched photo of Hillary Clinton detailing in a similarly ambiguous wave.)

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Even Baraboo students with hands down on their sides are laughing. It seemed funny at the time. Maybe you had to be there? Or just young and foolish?

The small city of Baraboo is roiled with guilt and recrimination these days. Where did we go wrong as parents, as educators, as a community? How did we raise future Waffen SS Oberstgruppenführers? 

Police are investigating counter threats. The community is meeting in auditoriums where the loudest voices and the most-shrill accusations will dominate. 

To easily triggered grievance mongerers, Baraboo’s Nazi salute is photographic proof  of Trump-inspired, white power revanchism in fly-over country. 

On slim evidence. For one thing, Sauk County went Democrat in the November 6 election.

Those who excuse Antifa’s broken windows and tolerate Freedom Inc.’s shout-down of elected Madison liberals would have a stronger case if Baraboo has been plastered in swastikas. The nights disturbed by the sound of broken windows. Illuminated by crosses burning and bull whips cracking. But no. Nothing to corroborate the presumed sudden outbreak of hate. No separate but unequal drinking fountains in Baraboo. No stars and bars. No one assaulted or battered. 


They just didn’t teach enough history in the classroom. But those who crave outrage have found their fix for the week, at least. For a counterpoint, we except from Baraboo resident Dan Gunderson‘s affirmation:

I stand with our Baraboo boys 

It was a tough week in Baraboo … Our boys were captured in a horrific picture that spread to national news outlets and seemed to reveal the underbelly of racist sentiments running rampant in small town America. Maybe that’s true in some small towns. Maybe, and very likely, Baraboo has a ways to go in being more sensitive to diversity.

But it’s also true that the image of widespread racism in rural Wisconsin fits well with a narrative many would like to believe about towns like Baraboo. Fortunately, most of us do not believe this story even remotely represents Baraboo High School students, their parents, our school system or the broader Baraboo community.

… We know our boys. We know them.They are not racists and we need to stand behind them right now. They are being attacked and intimidated. They will remember whether their community stood beside them as they faced ruthless attacks on social media, merciless characterizations on news publications, and terrifying treats through personal contacts. …

So, how did it happen? How did that disgusting picture come about? Many, many boys, along with their prom dates and many dozens of parents present, have all shared a very similar story. They were posing for prom pictures. Among other poses, they were asked to make a “hi sign.” I don’t know what a “hi sign” is or if it’s a “high” sign.

The boys say they didn’t know either, but as the goofy one-handed, straight-arm wave was demonstrated the boys complied. And yes, in that moment, it became clear to some, if not many of the boys, that they had ended up in a group pose that was bizarrely similar to something truly outrageous and, indeed, very inappropriate. And as teenage boys in such situations can do, they responded in a variety of ways. Some put their hands down. Others made silly faces or laughed nervously. Still others, yes, went for the pose with overkill. It was a spontaneous moment that was arrived at in innocence, participated in with stupidity, and finished in a blink of the eye—and with the snap of a camera.

Why do I believe them? First of all, I know the boys. I don’t know all the boys, but I know many of them, and I know some very well. And the ones I know very well would never identify with Nazi sentiments, racial discrimination, or hate. They would not have been coaxed by a call to Hail Hitler. This was not a mob frenzy similar to what happened in the Holocaust. Come on!

The whole situation has been pretty outrageous. The national media spotlight has been out of control. Death threats, boycotts from colleges, and sweeping characterizations of our community have run wild.

But nothing seems so outrageous, and indeed dangerous, as the many, many who seem disinterested in the context of the photo or intent of the students. Those who want to condemn these boys are stuck on vague statements like, “They knew what they were doing,” or “There’s a culture of hate at the high school.”

I have yet to have anybody offer an actual theory for just how the boys were instructed, or spontaneously decided, in mass numbers to honor Hitler, make a Nazi salute, or show their contempt for the Jewish people. …

Sorry, it didn’t happen. Nobody claims it happened. No witnesses say it happened. But apparently for many, it simply doesn’t matter. The boys were captured in the pose, the picture has its own meaning, and the mob is calling for justice. …

Another take from Ms. Kim Hirsch, “Virtue Signalers Swoop Down on Baraboo WI.”

There’s a picture floating around the internet of Baraboo High School boys performing a Nazi Sieg Heil salute. And you know that if it’s on the internet, it’s got to be true.

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67 Responses to Did Baraboo WI suddenly turn Nazi?

  1. Political Correctness gone off the rails!!! Again!!! The camera just froze them in mid wave. Period.

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  2. Scott F says:

    Disgusting….. Not the photo, but the mindset of those who would spread this crap.

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  3. Dave, not B says:

    The left sees Russians and Nazis everywhere they look. The real Russians and Nazis are their own party. Too bad they can’t live in reality with the rest of us.

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  4. Bill Everley says:

    They are proud boyz, just like the Madison juvenile gangbangers.

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  5. Batman says:

    The party of the KKK, anti-Semitism, and general (often violent) intolerance for anything they disagree with.
    Democrats got some splaining to do.

    https://www.dailywire.com/tags/anti-semitism

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    • AnonyBob says:

      Those are all conservative tendencies, Batty. Just ask the Jews, Blacks and anyone oppressed.

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      • madisonexpat says:

        No ABob. Again you are projecting your hatred on your political opponents who are not hysterical but rational. Hence your hate.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          Sorry, Splat, I listened to it for years in the legislature. That’s not projection; that’s observation.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “Sorry, Splat, I listened to it for years in the legislature. That’s not projection; that’s observation.”

          “Observation”? I call BS!

          I’m going to say that you’re likely engaging in extreme hyperbole. The chance that you actually heard a pattern of KKK or anti-Semitism from Conservative members of the legislature is ZERO; furthermore, the chance you heard that kind of rhetoric from more than one radically ignorant mouth in the legislature, regardless of their party association, is next to zero if not actually zero. The chance that you are using your ideologically entrenched mind to spin or twist something you may have heard into this propaganda hyperbole is greater than 90%. After reading the partisan poppycock you write around here I simply cannot use Halon’s Razor to explain your rhetoric away, you are absolutely full of partisan malice. I believe with everything that makes me the man I am today that you have fabricated this lie about hearing that kind of rhetoric in the legislature and if you cannot provide actual quotes to support that extreme hyperbole then you fit nicely into a category of just being a partisan liar.

          AnonyBob also wrote above, “Those are all conservative tendencies, Batty. Just ask the Jews, Blacks and anyone oppressed.”

          I call BS again!

          No AnonyBob those are not conservative tendencies, you wouldn’t know a conservative tendency if it bit you in the arse. That’s another one of the big propaganda lies that partisan fools thinking ends justify the means spew forth as “truth”. Regurgitating such ridiculous things make the deliverer either a fool or an outright liar.

          Here’s the problem; when our public “education” system has nearly eliminated critical thinking and created brainwashed hive-minded drones it’s easy to see how the repetition of propaganda lies, such as the nonsense AnonyBob writes, can make a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.” Joseph Goebbels. True imbeciles just repeat the propaganda lie as if it’s true because their too ignorant to know the difference between truth and lies, immoral partisan hacks intentionally spout these lies to destroy – it’s all ends justify the means moral bankruptcy.

          It is absolutely clear that the political left has been waging an morally bankrupt anti-Conservative propaganda war for quite some time and it has reached a pinnacle of absolute absurdity since the Presidential election of 2016. AnonyBob is a rather insignificant piece of that propaganda war, he’s a willing foot soldier spewing forth absolute absurdity and he’s damned proud of it.

          In general, the political left doesn’t give a damn if they lie as long as their followers believe it and there’s a possibility to suck other fools into their fold with repetition, peer pressure, and intimidation.

          AnonyBob,
          I think you are trolling for effect and I know this is probably asking a lot from you, but if you choose to reply to this comment, choose how you reply wisely.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          I am confident you have no clue of what I did or did not hear from conservatives in the legislature. From the floor of the Assembly, to committee hearings, to sitting in my office listening to debates on the squawk box, I heard a lot during 25 years there. You seem to know nothing about that place. Or about anything outside your silo, despite what’s made you “the man you are today.” Which is a vaguely weird statement.
          You’ll have enlighten me in how I need “to choose wisely” in responding to you.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “I am confident you have no clue of what I did or did not hear from conservatives in the legislature. From the floor of the Assembly, to committee hearings, to sitting in my office listening to debates on the squawk box, I heard a lot during 25 years there.”

          You know Bob, you make one accusation and claim after another and you never back up anything with facts. I think you’re just making all this stuff up including you being some part of the legislature for 25 years. It’s all rationalizations and unsupportable lies from you.

          AnonyBob wrote, “You seem to know nothing about that place.”

          Really? So what “facts” are you basing that on?

          AnonyBob wrote, “You’ll have enlighten me in how I need “to choose wisely” in responding to you.”

          Back up your faux rhetoric with facts instead of trolling like an ignorant partisan jerk.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “From the floor of the Assembly, to committee hearings, to sitting in my office listening to debates on the squawk box, I heard a lot…”

          But below you said “I didn’t say conservatives in the legislature were”; so you were talking about the people in the Legislature up here in this comment but you weren’t talking about the people in the legislature below – typical goal post shifting thinking others are blind and won’t notice.

          AnonyBob wrote, “I heard a lot during 25 years there.”

          Do you know how many members of the legislature served 25+ years in your lifetime as are still alive? That information is available online. I don’t believe you’re the person who you have implied you are; if you are you’re acting like a damn fool for a retired professional politician and retired member of the Wisconsin legislature.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          Calm yourself, Z. I never claimed to be a member of the legislature. I held various staff positions where I served legislators over the course of 25 years.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “I never claimed to be a member of the legislature.”

          Interesting.

          Benefit of the doubt: Since this sentence “from the floor of the Assembly, to committee hearings, to sitting in my office listening to debates on the squawk box” seems to imply otherwise; can anyone confirm this claim from AnonyBob that he hasn’t used the phrase “in the Legislature” in his previous claims?

          AnonyBob wrote, “I held various staff positions where I served legislators over the course of 25 years.”

          Positions like “mail clerk, office cleaning staff, IT troubleshooter, network administrator, maintenance man, or maybe just cleaning the residual odors out of the legislative restrooms with your feckless partisan toilet brush”? /snark/

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          “I held various staff positions where I served legislators over the course of 25 years.”

          You mean an INTERN like Monica Lewinsky…?

          The Gotch

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        • AnonyBob says:

          Based on what I’ve told you, I could’ve held any of those positions.

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          “Based on what I’ve told you, I could’ve held any of those positions.”

          Like…um…a position under the Former-Serial-Sexual-Predator-In-Chief…?

          If that’s the case, I wouldn’t be surprised.

          The Gotch

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        • AnonyBob says:

          You stay classy, Gootch.

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  6. Gary L. Kriewald says:

    Anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before the “news” becomes simply one endless string of social media tempests in a teapot? On the bright side, the Baraboo brouhaha yet again validates my decision to avoid social media like the festering boil it is.

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  7. AnonyBob says:

    I largely agree with Blaska, here. This is a tempest in a teapot caused by a stupid photo of stupid, adolescent boys in which just a half dozen execute the salute in a moment of goofiness and misunderstanding of the photographer’s request. The comparison to a photo of Hillary giving a normal wave that in no way resembles a Nazi salute is also stupid, but Dave sometimes just can’t help himself.
    Yet…I grew up in small town Wisconsin and, despite Mr. Gunderson’s protestations, I remember plenty of peers that were outright ignorant racists, despite the lack of other races in town.
    You boys need to ask yourselves why so many in this country are so touchy about Nazis these days. Maybe too many believe “there are very fine people on both sides.”

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  8. Tom Paine says:

    Lived in rural Wisconsin towns for 35 of the last 45 years. Broad characterizations about wacism, intolerance, etc., were not what I observed. In fact, I do not know of a single example of wascism against any of the many foreign exchange students of color who attended the local high school.

    Passions of hatred or bitterness require a measure of reflection and thought. Do most Badger fans “hate” Ohio State fans or their teams? Is the tribalism of Madison Memorial against Janesville Craig any more or less “hateful” than that of Packer fans who have “feelings” about the Vikings?

    Why is all bigotry “bad” — except financial and economic bigotry? How many times have you heard the media or farmers say that dairy farms would not survive without cheap (aka slave) labor? How many times have you heard “Americans” won’t do “that kind of work,” while always ignoring the question of wage rates? How many times have you vented about taxing the “wealthy” more? (there are now even 2 classes of subsidies for Medicare members in Wisc)

    Do you want to live in a locale (city, town, block, school district) where there is distrust and UNSHARED values? Do you want your every move subjected to the potential claim of “wacism,” gender bias, misogyny or whatever bigotry flavor of the day seems useful as a weapon? Do most people strive to live in any community where they, as individuals, are “the other”? Why do folks self-segregate? Why is this common in urban high schools and “liberal universities”? Why the historic cry for “special treatment, special programs, segregated curriculum, segregated “student centers”? The bigotry of identity politics.

    Does any reader here aspire to live in the geographic area in Milwaukee where 75% of the gun crimes/murders transpire? Do any passionate liberals really want to reside there and send their kids to the local schools?

    Finally, consider anti-Nazi passions. Do you ever hear the same level of concern expressed about the 100+ million who died in the Soviet experiment — the Maoist experiment — the current state of life in Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe? I know, that is a false equivalency…..or is that (dis)counting socialist bigotry? Bernie has been quiet about that.

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    • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

      @Tom Paine;

      “tribalism of Madison Memorial against Janesville Craig”

      Respectfully disagree.

      Speaking from lengthy hands-on-up-close-n-personal experience (JMM/Class of ’73 [GO SPARTANS!!]), Craig was/is an afterthought.

      Madison West (in our crosshairs) is a different story. Sheesh, those pikers even need to use Mansfield Stadium!

      The Gotch

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    • Batman says:

      Mr. Paine at 1:38am.
      Very fine analysis. Thanks for taking the time.

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  9. Sprocket says:

    There are two types of people worked up by this photo. The first are idiots who legitimately believe the fifth Reich is on the march. Despite the fact there barely enough actual nazis in America to fill a trailer park, they think Trump-Hitler’s extermination camps are right around the corner. The other are the professional pearl clutchers, who are treating themselves to a bout of moral posturing and self righteous ego masturbation. They know some kids clowning for the camera doesn’t mean a thing, but will happily pretend it does to wring every ounce of advantage out of the situation.

    It points to the disingenuous nature of the folks looking around desperately for a fainting couch to swoon upon that they do not exhibit similar hysteria in regards to communists and socialists. Apparently it’s easier to get worked up about repressive murderous ideologies when they aren’t espoused by your friends. Either that you only care that you aren’t the one exercising tyranny.

    Frankly, this stuff is great. Much like the 4chan OK sign hoax and the milk meme; trolling the left, even inadvertently, into fits of apoplexy is nothing but wonderful. The more they can be goaded into displaying themselves as the petulant zealots and petty tyrants they are, so much the better.

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  10. Cornelius Gotchberg says:

    Anyone that does the Sieg Heil salute, or anything that might be remotely construed as such, should be immediately shunned/banned/shamed/banished/shorn and administered DAILY atomic wedgies in perpetuity.

    ANYONE!

    The Gotch

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    • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

      And what does Lefty do with a real live ​ NAZI?

      Not much, except try to hide his affiliation with Hopey Changey and X-Chromosomal beater Keith Ellison

      Ah Lefty; so MUCH hypocrisy, so little time!

      The Gotch

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      • richard lesiak says:

        I see captain bone spurs is now shooting off his bigly mouth about the guy who put together the Bin Laden raid. He blew off every Veterans Day event and now is talking nonsense about raking all the leaves in California. Your a supporter of his? Do you really support this popular vote loser, lying fool? Do you support an idiot who appoints a guy AG of the entire country and then claims he never met him or knows anything about him? If you believe in this walking nut-job that the whole world is laughing at your a bigger fool than I thought. We had Hopey Changey now we have Dementia-Corruption. Am I right?

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    • White Hills says:

      What happens if Asians culturally appropriate it?

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  11. Batman says:

    Dems so proud of their KKK creation they decided it was time for a modern version.
    Cue Antifa; albeit less deadly still terribly noxious and regressive democrat.

    Even long time democrat and Clinton supporter Alan Dershowitz is speaking and writing unfavorably about the direction of the repressive democratic party.
    Of course now he is shunned by former friends and colleagues for doing so.
    MSM reaction is to wink and nod without coverage.

    If any of these Baraboo youth attend college they should be made aware of the repressive/violent campus milieu for conservatives and anyone deviating from Lefty orthodoxy.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/progressives-attacked-these-13-professors-when-they-went-afoul-of-leftist-dogma/

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  12. White Hills says:

    I see a few Asians in there. They must be protesting Harvard’s discrimination.

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  13. There is a terrible double standard when it comes to applying the same standard of implications regarding Nazi salutes to those that are obviously Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, for them they use the “get over it, it was just a wave” retort.

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  14. Gary L. Kriewald says:

    The photographer claims that he instructed the boys to wave to their parents, who were standing somewhere out of frame. If you look at the photo with that in mind, half of the salutes look more like ordinary waves; the other half may well be giving the nazi salute, but don’t most 17-year-olds think their parents are nazis?

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  15. David Blaska says:

    FAIR WARNING: The Lord High Commissioner of the Policy Werkes will NOT tolerate personal attacks. The Orkin man will retire wealthy from disinfecting the mail slot here at the Stately Manor. The polluters — two in particular — are warned that the next time will result in the permanent banning of both. I am tired of this Schitt.

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  16. Everyone outside of the Dairy State now knows where the only Town of Baraboo in the known Universe resides, its correct pronunciation be damned.

    And while it remains to be seen who the real losers are in all this, there will definitely be some entities that will, if only tangentially, benefit.

    Enabling grief counselor billables, safe space arrangers/micro-aggression identifiers, soothing hot cocoa, & plush stuffed animal sales will see quantifiable upticks.

    But the real winners? Baraboo Chamber of Commerce members, whom I suspect have done little if anything to stem the tide of non-stop attention.

    So long as they spell the name correctly, and their servers can handle the tsunami of added traffic, what’s not to like, am I right?

    If The Baraboo News Republic page views/ad clicks haven’t burst the mortal confines of the Milky Way yet, they will soon.

    Things To Do In Baraboo WI? Fuggedaboudit!!

    They’ll likely all have the most excellent Holiday Season EVAH!!!

    And all because of some small town photographer’s inadvertently (?) scheduled release of a months old shot.

    Now that I think about it, not unlike Shelia Stubbs waiting OVER five weeks to become incensed over Campaigning while Black.

    Timing!

    The Gotch

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  17. madisonexpat says:

    ABob. I don’t doubt you heard hate in the legislature. I DO doubt you listened.

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    • AnonyBob says:

      Correct. Why would I listen to conservative hate and embrace it or explain it away? That’s your role.

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      • AnonyBob,
        The problem is that you refuse to listen to a Conservative, that’s showing off your prejudice and bigotry. Liberals/Progressives are bonafide hypocrites.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          Oh, I’ve listened to plenty of conservatives, I just think they’re wrong in their evaluations of society’s problems and in their public policy prescriptions. Prejudice, bigotry and hypocrisy and all in their bailiwick and ultra-personified by Trump. No wonder you guys got pasted in the House midterms and have to do everything you can to keep people from voting.

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          If Righty got “pasted” in the 2018 midterms, we’ll require a new reference to accurately describe the monumental PUMMELING Lefty was administered in 2010, 2014, and 2016, am I right?

          And if you’s Lefties have such a broad base, why do you’s have to stuff the ballot box with illegal/double/triple/quadruple votes?

          The Gotch

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        • AnonyBob says:

          Gootch babble. Fewer misspellings, though, so that’s an improvement.

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          I speak the truth about Lefty getting B***CSL**P**D and that’s all youse got?

          That’s less than Hopey Changey, am I right?

          To wit:

          ‘Why we got shellacked in the 2014 elections’

          From the Daily Kos, no less.

          Wait a minute.

          They were talking about 2010?

          Never mind.

          You’s couldn’t swing a dead cat in the last 8 years where Lefty hasn’t gotten their collective/over-sized @$$e$ handed to ’em.

          The kicker?

          They’re blissfully unaware.

          Like YOUSE!

          The Gotch

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    • madisonexpat wrote, “ABob. I don’t doubt you heard hate in the legislature. I DO doubt you listened.”

      Liberal Critical Thinking

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      • AnonyBob says:

        You can stop the ego trip of linking to Urban Dictionary and citing yourself, I don’t bother opening them anymore. If you have a point to make, make it.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “You can stop the ego trip of linking to Urban Dictionary…”

          Now you’re just acting like an jerk. It’s not an ego trip, it’s a tool.

          Get over yourself.

          FYI…

          Liberal Critical Thinking

          Conservatives are wrong; thus ends Liberal critical thinking.

          Two steps to Liberal critical thinking,
          1. Pretend to listen to a Conservative.
          2. Declare the Conservative wrong.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          If you linked to definitions by others, it would be a tool. Citing yourself is an ego trip. It doesn’t carry any weight.

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    • madisonexpat wrote, “I don’t doubt you heard hate in the legislature.”

      Let’s be real clear here, AnonyBob is not claiming that there is simple hate from those with opposing opinions in the legislature he’s claiming that he actually heard a pattern of KKK or anti-Semitism coming from Conservatives while he was part of the legislature, that is exactly what he is saying when he wrote this “I listened to it for years in the legislature”; furthermore, he isn’t willing to offer one shred of evidence to support his claim, nothing, nada, nil, just unsupportable accusations from an everyday average Progressive political hack.

      Bob is a typical Progressive lying all the time with hyperbole, innuendo, unsupportable accusations, etc. After the last couple of years, I’m beginning to think that all Progressives are willful liars.

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      • AnonyBob says:

        I said conservatives are oppressive, linked to KKK, etc. I didn’t say conservatives in the legislature were; those boys have to maintain a slight degree of public respectability. They still managed to come up with pretty appalling statements. You want a specific? How about when the Senate GOP members Mary Lasich and Glenn Grothman crowed in closed caucus (as testified to by leadership staff under oath) that voter ID would completely screw Milwaukee black voters and drive down votes for Dems. This state, as a healthy democracy, used to do everything it could to encourage higher turnout. And. There. Is. No. Evidence. Of. Voter. Fraud.

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “I said conservatives are oppressive, linked to KKK, etc. I didn’t say conservatives in the legislature were”

          I call BS again! Now you’re doing what Progressives do best trying to move the goalposts by lying. The conversation is still present above to read, that is not what you said. Were you a typical Progressive liar the entire 25+ years you were in the Legislature?

          AnonyBob wrote, “those boys have to maintain a slight degree of public respectability”

          That’s why I called BS on your original statement because it was literally BS!

          AnonyBob wrote, “They still managed to come up with pretty appalling statements.”

          Sure they do. Appalling statements are routine when statements are put under the partisan microscope of partisan hacks who’s only purpose is to gin up faux outrage at rhetorical twisted versions of actual statements is the norm these days; both sides do it.

          AnonyBob wrote, “How about when the Senate GOP members Mary Lasich and Glenn Grothman crowed in closed caucus (as testified to by leadership staff under oath) that voter ID would completely screw Milwaukee black voters and drive down votes for Dems.”

          For the record, BJ, Allbaugh said that the Republicans appeared “giddy” at the prospects of Voter ID disproportionately affecting the opposition because the opposition was (in my humble opinion) too damned partisan blind to get the required ID’s, not having ID’s was a battle cry of the left and it didn’t work, did it BJ. Allbaugh was exaggerating when he testified under oath, much like that liar Christine Blasey Ford did when she was under oath – under oath does not automatically imply truth it only implies consequences for being caught at lying while under oath. Allbaugh said that Lazich told her colleagues to consider its impact [Voter ID] in the Democratic strongholds of Milwaukee and the state’s college campuses; furthermore, Allbaugh also said that Grothman said “that he supported voter ID because it would help Republicans win elections”. Neither of those statements support your argument that there was a pattern of KKK or anti-Semitism coming from Conservatives, in fact you haven’t even proven that 1) those statements actually took place and 2) that you haven’t proven that you actually heard them.

          You’re going to have to do better than that attempt at goalpost shifting and providing comments that don’t support your claim.

          Try again?

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          “And. There. Is. No. Evidence. Of. Voter. Fraud.”

          Do tell!

          Formerly employed Lefty scumbag (forgive the redundancy) Scottie Foval: “It’s a very easy thing for Republicans to say they’re bussing people in. Well you know what? We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you f**kin’ assholes for fifty years and WE’RE NOT GOING TO STOP NOW. WE’RE JUST GOING TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT. (bolds/caps mine)

          “I think backwards from how they would prosecute if they could, and then try to build out the method to avoid that,” (Foval) says about organizing voter fraud by bringing people from state to state to vote illegally. “Let’s just say, in theory, if a major investigation came up of major vote fraud that way, how would they prove it? And who would they charge? Are they going to charge each individual with voter fraud? Or are they going to go after the facilitator for conspiracy, which they could prove? It’s one thing if all these people drive up in their personal cars. If there’s a bus involved, that changes the dynamic… You can prove conspiracy if there’s a bus, but if there are cars, it is much harder to prove.”

          BUSTED! Just a couple of nice Lefty morons (forgive the redundancy 2.0) bragging about the…um…size…of their influence, am I right?

          Anywho: “Scott Foval and Robert Creamer, two little-known but influential Democratic political operatives, ​have left their (Lefty) jobs after video investigations by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas Action found Foval entertaining dark notions about how to win elections. Foval was laid off Monday by Americans United for Change, where he had been national field director; Creamer announced Tuesday night that he was ‘stepping back’ from the work he was doing for the unified Democratic campaign for Hillary Clinton.”

          It gets worse.

          Lefty miscreant (forgive the redundancy 3.0) Bobby Creamer was a WH guest over 340 times (close to every ~ 10 days Hopey Changey was in office), 47 (~ once every 2 months) of those with a personal audience with the self-anointed 4th Greatest President EVAH who was tasked with overseeing the Most Transparent Administration EVAH!

          Oh my Gunny Sacks (H/T @GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN), sometimes this stuff just kinda writes itself, doesn’t it?

          The Gotch

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        • AnonyBob wrote, “There. Is. No. Evidence. Of. Voter. Fraud.”

          Does that prove there is no voter fraud; No it doesn’t!

          That my friend is the bonafide irresponsible brain-damaged argument that the political left uses all the time. The system is wrought with loopholes for fraud and Voter ID “removes” just one of those loopholes.

          The fact is that the political left doesn’t care about the possibility of corrupting out elections with fraud.

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        • Rats, typo…

          The fact is that the political left doesn’t care about the possibility of corrupting our elections with fraud.

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        • Batman says:

          “that voter ID would completely screw Milwaukee black voters and drive down votes for Dems. This state, as a healthy democracy, used to do everything it could to encourage higher turnout.”

          Let’s just say for the sake of argument that bobo speaks the truth, although Zoltar has already demonstrated he massages the truth at best.

          If a given demographic has a history of not bothering with something as simple as obtaining a voter ID, it does not follow that republicans recognizing such is somehow a bigoted thing. Moreover, voter ID is to insure honest elections and has nothing to do with voter turnout other than unmotivated citizens won’t bother.

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        • AnonyBob says:

          No wonder you boys are confused by Todd’s testimony. He has a conscious.

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          @AnonyBob;

          I’m not confused by the unforced, and rather damning, testimony of Scottie Foval & Bobbie Creamer?

          You…?

          The Gotch

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  18. Batman says:

    “If you linked to definitions by others, it would be a tool. Citing yourself is an ego trip. It doesn’t carry any weight.”

    Actually, the origin of a specific definition is irrelevant to it being a tool.
    Flawed logic bobo and likely projection of your disdain for Zoltar.

    If you are able to calm your ego, you will recognize that Zoltar is your gift. He is helping with your reasoning and writing skills, like a tutor. And he does this voluntarily without pay.
    You should thank him.

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    • AnonyBob says:

      Peter Lorre speaks.
      (Dave, is that a personal attack?)

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      • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

        @AnonyBob;

        “(Dave, is that a personal attack?)”

        @Batman selflessly throws youse a freakin’ lifeline intended to lead youse to Salvation and it’s seen as a personal attack?

        Oy gevalt!!!!!

        The Gotch

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  19. Cornelius Gotchberg says:

    @AnonyBob;

    The ​WORLD (including the 25th District of the State of Wisconsin) accepts Voter ID.

    Yet Lefty balks…

    Anywho, it’s not like you’s NEED an I.D. to do much of anything ​else?, like vote in a Lefty Union election, am I right?

    Ah Lefty; so MUCH hypocrisy, so little time!

    The Gotch

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