Thus spaketh an 11-year-old girl at Whitehorse middle school
according to witnesses
TODAY’S QUIZ: Guess who is allowed back in school and who is not? Answers at bottom of this blog.
We excerpt three separate Madison police interviews conducted February 19 with witnesses of the event that occurred February 13 at Whitehorse middle school. More can be found on the Madison Police website.
The principals here are:
• Robert Mueller-Owens, the positive behavior coach. Identified as white.
• XXX — the 11-year-old subject whose mother and grandmother alleged she was unduly physically accosted, identified as black
• Barbara Pietz, the classroom teacher, identified as white
• Tammy Gue, special education assistant, identified as black
• Classmate — an 11-year-old witness whose name is redacted in the police report, race uncertain due to redaction on the police report.
Police interview with Tammy Gue
Gue said Mueller-Owens was standing there with his hands folded in front of him and XXX kept cursing him out. Mueller-Owens then turned to Pietz and said she needed to remove her class and take them to the LMC. Mueller-Owens then nudged XXX and said, “Go.”
Gue described the nudge as placing his open palm of one of his hands on XXX’s back and pushing her forward. Gue said XXX then pulled her shoulders backward, like to indicate Get Off Me. and then said, “Don’t fucking touch me. I’m not fucking going anywhere. You white, bald-headed motherfucker.”
Gue told me XXX walked to the door, opened it and closed it. Mueller-Owens stuck his foot in the door. … both of them [were] playing tug-of-war with the door … and then [Mueller-Owens] pushes her out of the door using the open palm of one of his hands. She said XXX then punched Mueller-Owens in the face, using the closed fist of one of her hands and breaking his eyeglasses.
Gue stated hands just started flailing between between them both, with XXX stating, “Don’t fucking touch me.” … Gue tries to get in between them but before she could do that Mueller-Owens grabs both of them, pivots, and throws them onto the ground. Gue told me she wound up on her knees with her legs on XXX’s legs and holding XXX’s right hand down. Gue stated she took XXX into the computer room and then XXX started screaming about her hair, saying Mueller-Owens tore her hair out.
Gue said she never saw Mueller-Owens grab XXX’s hair but saw his physical aggression as he was pushing XXX out of the class. Gue stated she saw suspected when the hands started flying Mueller-Owens caught one of the braids. I asked Gue who started the physical contact and she said Mueller-Owens. She stated there was no justification for Mueller-Owens to push her out of the classroom.
Police interview with Mrs. Pietz
Pietz said at the beginning of the day … she smelled air freshener. Pietz told me she had fragrance sensitivity. She told me her eyes will water and she will cough. … She stated XXX came by her classroom again and sprayed air freshener into the classroom.
Pietz stated she called down to the office … can someone please come and take the air freshener away from her. Pietz told me she completed science with her class and then XXX’s class comes in. She said XXX did not come right away with her class but came in halfway through the class with a staff member and was told to go sit in her seat … but didn’t sit in her seat and sat in a seat in front of the class near some friends. Pietz said she went over to redirect XXX to sit in her seat. XXX didn’t move so Pietz went back to teaching her class.
Pietz told me XXX had headphones connected to her cell phone and was listening to music and continuing to talk to her friends, disrupting class. Pietz said she talked to XXX three more times trying to get her to move to her seat. Pietz finally walked over to her and stood next to her and told her she needed to go to her seat, now. XXX told Pietz, “I was going to but I’m not going to now because you are standing by me. You need to go away.” Pietz told her, “I’m going to stand by you until you go to your seat. You’ve had multiple chances.”
XXX then told Pietz, “I’m going to spray air freshener in your face.” … Pietz told me she then called for support, again.
Special education assistant Tammy Gue came to the classroom. Gue tried to get XXX to leave the classroom but she wouldn’t go. Gue called for Robert Mueller-Owens, positive behavior coach. ….
Mueller-Owens stands in the doorway and quietly motions to XXX to get her attention to come out but she ignores him. He then comes into the room and asks XXX to come over. She walks over to the door but refuses to leave the room. Pietz told me Mueller-Owens lightly put his arm around XXX’s upper back to guide her out of the room. XXX then got upset and started yelling, “Don’t touch me. You can’t touch me.”
Pietz said Mueller-Owens backed off and stood in the corner, trying to give XXX some space. … Pietz couldn’t remember if it was Mueller-Owens or Gue but one of them radioed for the school security officer to respond. Mueller-Owens then asked Pietz if she would escort her class to the LMC (library). Pietz said … something happened behind her back … when she looked Mueller-Owens and XXX were out in the hallway on the floor. Mueller-Owens’ glasses were also on the floor. … Pietz then heard Gue say “I got her Rob, you can get up.” Pietz then closed the classroom door.
Police interview with 11-year-old classmate
[Classmate] said XXX was not sitting down in her seat as she was instructed to do by Mrs. Pietz [the classroom teacher] and replied “I’ll sit down when you take a shower.”
XXX explained that students think it can smell in the classroom at times and that XXX was going to spray Fabreze at Mrs. Pietz … Mrs. Pietz called for support and Mr. Rob [Mueller-Owens] showed up to help with the situation. Mr. Rob asked XXX to walk out of the classroom with him but XXX stated she was not going to leave. Mr. Rob then grabbed her arm and told her she had to leave the classroom but … XXX then told Mr. Rob if he touched her again she would punch him. Mr. Rob then called for additional support …
XXX began throwing punches at Mr. Rob with a closed fist. … using both fists to repeatedly punch Mr. Rob in the face and ended up knocking his eyeglasses off his face … while she was punching Mr. Rob in the face with both firsts, Mr. Rob was trying to grab (her) hands and shoulders to “get her off of him.”
… Mr. Rob and XXX left the classroom … but as she looked further she could see Mr. Rob on the floor of the hallway. XXX told me another teacher, possibly Mrs. Tammy [Gue] went over to help Mr. Rob get off the floor as he was slow to get up . XXX stated she could see Mr. Rob’s face and … he was “all red.” I asked (the witness) if she saw Mr. Rob hit or punch XXX at all during the incident and she replied “no.”
Blaska’s Bottom Line: The police report is very thorough. It indicates Robert Mueller-Owens completed MMSD’s non-violent crisis intervention training program on August 21, 2018. He also received training in something called Advanced Physical Hold-Supine training on September 24, 2018.
Blaska’s Final Question: How many of us have that training, not to mention that kind of patience?
Answers to the quiz: XXX is back in school. Mr. Mueller-Owens is not.
Education
Blaska Policy Werkes 
AnonyBob, in your opinion an AAF 11 year old can or cannot be racist?
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@Brenden;
Others may not concede it, but youse DO get points for being a Miss Vickie fan!
Hillarity’s main excuse for her monumentally epic Foreign Policy F**K-UPS (FULL DISCLOSURE: she’s @AnonyBob’s fave SoS EVAH!!!) she slobbered something to the effect of Fog Of War.
Any of that come into play with Mueller-Owens?
Anywho, shouldn’t MMSD be taking a look at what WORKS, like Wright Middle School?
(bolds/caps mine throughout)
”Wright Middle School’s student population is much poorer and more diverse —70.8 percent low-income and 88.8 percent nonwhite in 2017-18 — than district middle schools as a whole.
But it also had the second-fewest behavior incidents, by student population, among middle schools last year.
”Wright was founded as a charter school in 1997, but traded its charter in at the end of the 2016-17 school year for magnet school designation. It also started requiring students to wear uniforms this past school year.
”Enrollment is restricted to students in the West High School attendance area who apply to get in. If there are more applications than open seats, students are chosen via a lottery. Those who don’t apply are automatically funneled to their local neighborhood middle school.
”At the September Student Behavior Ad Hoc Committee meeting, Wright principal Angie Hicks suggested the BEP didn’t have much effect on her approach to behavior, saying she was going to do whatever was necessary to maintain a safe environment.
‘Factors influencing student behavior would be dealt with, she said, but “IF YOU FIGHT, YOU’RE GOING HOME.’”
Consequences for crossing a line? What a marvelous concept!
The Gotch
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They key there is BY APPLICATION. Which means review, screening, selection, and (I assume) not all are accepted.
Of course “accepting” violent behavior including assaults and physical attacks of teaachers and staff — that’s a whole ‘nother thing.
But one assumes that a student with a record of assaulting teachers and violently attacking staff (Do they keep RECORDS of this at the District level??) would preclude someone from being accepted to Wright.
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Typical AnonyBob and richard lesiak trolling comments above, completely ignore the topic at hand and attack fellow commenters with innuendo and accusations.
Troll: Those that post inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.
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Z buddy, sometimes you are just a parody of yourself. (Yeah, yeah, that’s just more trolling…)
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AnonyBob wrote, “Yeah, yeah, that’s just more trolling…”
Acknowledging there is a problem is the first step towards fixing the problem.
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I haven’t attacked anyone here today.
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A true story/parable which illustrates how the “abuse excuse” harms the person claiming it:
Sarah, (not her real name), was sent by her wealthy, always traveling , non discipline teaching Jewish parents to board at an expensive high school in Switzerland. This was eight years after the end of World War II, when many Europeans, sick with guilt over the holocaust, were very wary of offending a Jewish person. Sarah much preferred spending the day in bed, or visiting the shops in Lausanne. This was much more fun than attending classes. She invented many Jewish Holidays as an excuse for poor school attendance. Bottom line: Sarah received almost no high school education and never attended college. As a grown up, she wished that the school administrators had not enabled her bad behavior.
Of course, Sarah’s spoiled and dysfunctional behavior hurt only Sarah. Today, the enablers of a child’s repeated bad behavior hurt every teacher who is ready to teach and every child in the classroom who is ready to learn. Disturbing the peace is a crime and should be prosecuted as such
In order to prevent dysfunctional behavior, ( which does not improve in the regular classroom despite many sessions with behavior coaches) being prosecuted as a crime, why not provide a facility which helps parents and their constantly disruptive children learn social responsibility and the discipline needed to become an active learner? Dysfunctional behavior comes from economically high-end homes and low- end homes. It comes from mental illness. It comes from conduct “disorders”. It comes in all skin colors. No matter, the outside world is looking for accomplished workers, not excuse makers
Maybe instead of enabling repeated disruption and giving inadequate supervisors the abuse excuse, the highest educational leadership should study the ways of extraordinarily effective educators in Madison who happen to be black or brown, as well as successful adults who learned to compensate for a disability. How did they manage this without using the abuse excuse? Look at Madison’s Vietnamese citizens, traumatized by napalm deaths and the other horrors of war, who became educated and successful. Victimhood uses up way too much energy which is better spent on positive goals.
So why are we accepting leadership that genuflects before repeat disrupters and by doing so is willing to sacrifice children who do not disrupt?
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ABob. I asked you a simple question. Can an 11 year old AAF be a racist?
Your opinion?
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@madisonexpat;
Cut @AnonyBob some slack, he’s currently engaged in furious brow-furrowing and hand-wringing.
But after he’s had his morning’s virtual-signaling Let’s Have A Conversation About Race emblazoned @Starbucks offering AND established the extent of his Action Plan (Look At Me EcoBox bumper stickers, Gosh I’m Nice lapel ribbons, and I’m Dialed In) wrist bands, a follow up question:
Is it RAYcism that triggered this child’s numerous behavioral misdeeds, or, as Gold-Digging Mommy & Gammy so eloquently put it, her reacting to learning that White Supremacy has compromised her every personal choices at an early age?
Perhaps both?
It couldn’t possibly be Mommy & Gammy’s fault because…Trump!
The Gotch
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Should he be charged with a crime. A simple “binary choice”. Yes or No.
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Splat, why do you ask?
Gootch, thanks for the daily dose of gibberish.
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Gibberish /ˈjib(ə)riSH/
noun
1-Intellectually prepubescent label @AnonyBob incuriously applies to real real mean Inconvenient Truth that not only doesn’t support the LaLaLoopyLoonyLeftyLand narrative and herd the uneducated feral class Lefty base, but just won’t go away.
The Gotch
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Because I think it probable that you’ll say no because she’s black. Am I right?
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What is wrong with you? It’s a stupid question and that’s why I was ignoring you. I know you think you’ll “trap” me somehow. Sigh. Your obsession with RAYcism leads to questions about you.
Answer: Nobody is born racist. It’s learned. It depends on how early she’s taught. Happy?
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This Just In:
“It’s a stupid question” is being seriously considered as a stand-in for GIBBERISH.
There’s a reluctance on the part of a certain Lefty commenter to NOT be held to account for Lefty’s positively staggering cognitive slippage.
Shoot, why would he? Cohen, OCRAZYo, Harris, Biden, Booker, Sanders, San Fran Nan, the Congressional Muslim chicks, & the rest of the Lefty Klown Kar…
Sum’beyatch, Lefty’s just holding their hands back and saying Hit Me…hard and repeatedly, am I right?
And Hillarity, OH YEAH Hillarity; claiming voter suppression in the Dairy State.
One problem: IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!
It gets worse.
Über-Lefty WaPo gave her 4, count ’em FOUR, Pinocchios
It’s what we in the business call a B*T*HS**AP*N’
The Gotch
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@AnonyBob;
”I’m starting to worry about you.”
Your choosing to chase pop flies at the expense of ignoring the cascading EPIC FAIL engulfing LaLaLoopyLoonyLeftyLand…how’s that working…?
The Gotch
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Notice the problem here: A special ed student, with violent anti-social behavioral problems, is mainstreamed into the student body and classes with “normal” students. This student acts out violently, out of control, consistent with her “problems”, disrupting the class for everyone else and making a violent scene. The focus of the system is, insanely, only on this troubled child, to the exclusion of all other persons in the class, students, teachers and staff, leaving everyone else denied any respect, attention or education. She explodes, and everyone else is suppose to leave the room? Really? This troubled child should not be “mainstreamed”. She is not capable of respectful, sane behavior at this time, and should be separated from the students who are capable of functioning in the general school population. She is being done no favors by being mainstreamed, and neither are the other students in the class.
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XXX’s family really put the cherry on top when they attributed this incident to racism. What nerve – absolutely shameless.
And when they wrote the “book” on handling this type of behavior, I’ll bet they didn’t foresee a blocked door (preventing a class evacuation) and therefore there is probably no “rule” to follow for that. I would respectfully ask Brenden if there is a specific rule for this situation, or if the adult was flying blind in an unforeseen circumstance. I would also ask Brenden if he feels XXX and her family are due any financial settlement.
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When I taught high school years ago, we avoided incidents such as this by keeping violent special education/needs children, such as XXX, out of the general student population. They each had an individual education plan, consistent with their needs, in a controlled supportive setting with teachers equipped to deal with them. This benefited the special needs child and the student body in general, and allowed the school to otherwise function to everyone’s benefit. Why is fire being mixed with gasoline today? Has the current educational elite lost their minds?
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See above. Sorry if it doesn’t fit your liberal/progressive/social justice warrior/more free stuff/socialist/hippy freak narrative.
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ABob, can a black kid learn to be a racist?
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I just learned a new term: “sealioning.” New nickname: ”Sealioning Splat.”
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AnonyBob wrote, “I just learned a new term: “sealioning.” New nickname: ”Sealioning Splat.””
That’s a deflection and a very ignorant one.
If you’re accusing madisonexpat of sealioning then you’re acting like a child on the playground spewing a new term you really don’t understand. Learn more, write less and you’ll look a lot less foolish.
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@Zoltar Speaks!;
”That’s a deflection and a very ignorant one.” (bolds mnie)
What did you expect? This is @AnonyBob, after all; 25 years in the legislature’ll do that.
The Gotch
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Your comment was a Self-Inflicted Intellectual Slap Down
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AnonyBob should be feeling the dreaded Kernongdefluggle about now.
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ABob you do not believe a black person can be racist and the reason you can’t state that is because some part of you understands just how stupid that dictum of the Left is. BLM believes it, Freedom Inc. believes it and so do you.
What are you really afraid of?
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No deflection boys, I answered Sealion Splat’s question at 6:51 p.m. yesterday. Try to keep up. And Splat, quit assuming you know what I think, you sound foolish.
(Hey, “bolds mnie” Gootch: what’s that, a misspelling? You deserve a long slew of made up words
and alliterative insults, but I’ll stay out of your gutter.)
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To know what you think is easy, heck, its automatic. Whatever the Left Party Line Of The Day. Example, “I find her credible.”
You even use their stock phrases.
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@AnonyBob;
”I’ll stay out of your gutter.”
Wise choice! The step up would prove FAR too challenging.
The Gotch
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If you really want to know what Dave Blaska is up against in the school board race, here it is…
PRINCIPLES OF PROGRESSIVE GOEBBELISM
Here is a quick excerpt…
This is the same thing that others Conservatives are up against when they run against anyone from the political left.
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Brenden is part of the problem with education in Madison and so many other parts of the U.S. If you call that “hate” then you refuse to face reality and simply resort to namecalling, as so many of your ilk do when losing an argument.
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Gentlemen please, you can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!
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😉
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