Civility is not only wrong; it’s WHITE!
The drink’s on me, Dave. Literally
The verdict is in and it’s not just Maxine Waters who encourages harassing political adversaries. Antifa enablers like Capital Times emeritus editor Dave Zweifel have officially sworn off civility. You want to throw that drink in that kid’s face for wearing a Make America Great Again cap at a burger joint? Have at it!
After years of tut-tutting over micro-aggressions like the occasional disparaging political label, Mr. Zweifel has given his blessing for in-your-face drink throwing. Humiliating, hounding, heckling and harassing. As long as you target the right victims, those being those with whom he disagrees, which is to say, Republicans.
Talk about situational ethics! For years, my old boss wrote an annual sermon on civility. In an August 2017 column, he claimed that “the political low road runs through Wisconsin.” Given that the only two examples he cited came from the state Republican party, one could be forgiven for concluding that the low road took only the right lane. The party called one Democratic gubernatorial candidate “an out-of-touch con artist” and another a “phony.”
As we said at the time, “Wow! Rough stuff!”
“But this is the state of our politics today,” Dave sermonized back then. “We can’t discuss real issues without name calling. We can’t address society’s problems without vilifying someone who has a different view.”
That was then, this is now
Now that his people are assaulting Trump supporters, Dave Zweifel has come out four-square against civility. It’s over-rated. Today’s party line?
“Change-makers know civility isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.”
I need to applaud New York University history professor Thomas Sugrue for setting the record straight. Sugrue’s column, published by The New York Times, takes issue with what he calls “white America’s age-old, misguided obsession with civility.”
One marvels at how dexterously the race card is played! Civility is not only wrong, it’s white! Zweifel and Sugrue are channeling what has become consensus on the Left.
- The on-line magazine Slate makes “The Case for Incivility.”
- “F-bomb Trump” got Robert DeNiro hearty cheers at the Tony Awards ceremony.
- Kathy Griffin is cashing in on the image of holding Trump’s severed head with her “Laugh Your Head Off” world tour.
A little history, please
The usual suspects will make the playground claim that Trump started it. A little history, courtesy of “The Left Tries to Blame Trump for their Own Hate Mongering.”
Protesters regularly carried signs saying things like “Save Mother Earth, Kill Bush,” “Hang Bush for War Crimes,” “Bush = Satan,” “Bush is the only Dope worth Shooting.” They burned Bush and other administration officials in effigy countless times. Jonathan Chait wrote a 3,600-word word piece for the New Republic in 2003 on “the case for Bush hatred.”
Remember Graeme Zielinski’s heyday as official spokesman for the WI Democrat(ic) party who tweeted: “It’s Medicare’s 45th Birthday. Celebrate by punching a Republican.”
Not to mention the little Hitler mustaches that the Act 10 protestors drew on Scott Walker’s photo. The nooses. The death threats. Dressing out Tonette Walker “like a deer.” Mr. Situational Civility never condemned that hate speech nor did his newspaper nor did his political party. Which is why Leah Vukmir’s ad is spot on.
Silence is complicity
Thursday on her essential radio program, Our Ms Vicki McKenna related her own harassment that forced her, as a single woman and outspoken conservative, to flee Madison for a safer residence outside the city. The liberal radio jock announcing her home address. The Isthmus Forum thread subjecting Vicki to their porno movie fantasies.
The disruption of conservative Ben Shapiro’s speech on the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus. Your Humble Bloggeur shouted down by social justice warriors at a school board committee meeting last month. Of course, they tried to smear Blaska as a white supremacist for supporting police in schools. The same people defeated democracy when they shut down the Dane County Board of Supervisors.
Nothing from Dave Zweifel, that ol’ change maker. Silence from The Capital Times, “your progressive voice.” Omertà from the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, Tammy Baldwin, Mark Pocan, Chris Taylor et al. Perhaps they were afraid of being called WHITE.
Blaska’s Bottom Line: With their self-righteous and petty acting out, our liberal-progressive-socialist acquaintances do appear intent, however unintentionally, on re-electing Donald Trump.
89 responses to “The gloves are off; let’s rumble!”
As a way of accepting the Left’s invitation to incivility, I suggest walking up to a black person wearing a BLM t-shirt and throwing a drink in their face. Or better yet, grinding a slice of watermelon in their face.
You suggest??? Why don’t you do it????
And waste a good watermelon?
In other words your a typical coward who wants to start a fight so you can video it on your phone. From a distance of course.
You used the “your” construction twice in the above sentence, once correctly, once incorrectly. Can you tell which is which? I doubt it since judging by innumerable posts, you seem to be unacquainted with the contraction form. (FYI I don’t own the sort of phone that can take pictures, which tegates your speculation.)
It gets worse.
The Lefty-on-Lefty pornfest/circular firing squad continues apace doing a land-office business in
raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism!
Very Low I.Q. Rep. Maxine Waters owed an apology from top Dems for not protecting her against ‘unwarranted’ Trump verbal attacks, nearly 200 black female leaders say
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-female-leaders-blast-schumer-pelosi-failing-defend/story?id=56382314
The Gotch
And that right wing unhinged Montana rant party is “high IQ”? Every republican senator should be tried for treason for letting this fool continue on.
wow… if Waters is low IQ trump fans must be in the negative. That Montana mental breakdown we saw is unreal.
Where you saw a breakdown, millions of others saw the political version of Toscanini conducting an orchestra. Maxine, on the other hand, is a toothless old bag playing the harmonica.
civility? The orange coward knows nothing of civility. Asking his cult members at his rally’s to beat up people who oppose. Gives his blessing for grabbing women. 3000 lies in a year and a half is certainly not being civil. Dave Zweifel is an award winning journalist. You righties mock only because he tells the truth and you are afraid of the truth. He fights and has you righties over a barrel. Keep yapping and drop to the bottom and drown
Well, for what it is worth, your Humble Squire has a few journalism trophies on his wall, also. “Drop to the bottom and drown.” Now THERE is an argument!
Be warned Gene your entering a bottomless pit of right-wing craziness here.
See grammatical comment above.
The CapTimes is not the barrel. It is the fish therein.
What’s odd is that the most belligerent loud mouths are so physically, um, unimposing. I am familiar with the phenomena as I own a chihuahua.
Same thing.
@madisonexpat;
“What’s odd is that the most belligerent loud mouths are so physically, um, unimposing.”
Yet held in high regard by @richard lesiak notwithstanding…hmmm.
But how can you tell, they all wear those face-hiding kerchiefs, only pulling them down to spit at people. Just real real tough guys.
I said it before, I’ll say it again; if push comes to shove, there’s no question who my money’s on.
The Gotch
you see MY real name here goootch. Send me a friend request. Or are YOU the one hiding.
@richard lesiak;
“you see MY real name here goootch.”
What I see is your level of impairment ramping.
“Send me a friend request.”
Seriously? To paraphrase Colonel Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men):
You Can’t Handle A Friend Request.
The Gotch
Your just a coward goootchh. Hiding behind your cutzy wordsmithing. If push comes to shove my money certainly won’t be on you.
@richard lesiak;
“Your (sic) just a coward goootchh.”
Magical Lefty Thinking at its level best: If you think something, it must be true; rather infantilized when youse…um…think about it, am I right?
“Hiding behind your cutzy wordsmithing”
The thinly veiled jealousy of my rhetorical flair ain’t yer best side.
“If push comes to shove my money certainly won’t be on you.”
Good thing! As an inveterate TAKER youse don’t have any money that doesn’t come from the state or the county, ergo, from taxpayers like me.
Now be a good widdle Lefty and go make some donuts for minimum wage.
The Gotch
Like little hands drumpf.?
Trump won’t send you a friend request either poor richard?
You’re sounding a little needy.
Don’t take it personally, he’s a little busy organizing the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.
@madisonexpat;
“he’s a little busy organizing the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.”
Ooooooomph! THAT’S gonna leave a mark!
The Gotch
maybe. maybe not.
trump isn’t organizing anything. he’s been told who to pick. nothing but a puppet and your watching the show and going goody goody.
A lot of blah blah blah from an independent newspaper delivery contractor.
@richard lesiak;
Are the donuts you make @minimum wage for yer bossman the kind with which porcine Unionistas stuff their pieholes?
Or are they kind upon which @$$$phincterhole condition sufferers plant the object of their greatest discomfort?
‘Course, someone like youse would probably use them interchangeably, am I right?
Mmmmmm!
The gotch
Put a wig on her and call her Maxine.
Oh jeeze, Dave, get a grip. As if the right is so pure and has never done any of the offensive things you accuse the left of. Don’t get the vapors, there’s been obnoxious behavior from members of both sides…forever. Never before, however, has it been so crudely and so vociferously led by the guy at the top.
For Your Edification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo
Then again, you can choose to remain in the swamp of conventional tribal myth. Like the ad hominem attacks on Jordan Peterson, you’ll validate my post by a tautological response. No matter. The point of video is to allow dispassionate readers/thinkers to consider a response that transcends the juvenile perspective.
Two white guys jawing about IQ and race? Seriously? This is what passes for intellectual heft on the right? Spare us.
bob…..more data to crush your trolling non-sense. https://www.dailywire.com/news/32746/williams-college-destruction-black-students-walter-e-williams
Yeah, what could these two guys possibly know about race? They’re WHITE!! They are automatically disqualified from having a cogent thought about anything, but about race? That’s just crazy! Oprah’s not in that video, hell you don’t even have Gail King.
Your comment seems premised on the belief that there are subjects white people–particularly males–cannot intelligently discuss, or if they do their ideas/opinions are intellectually suspect. Pray, name some other topics that are (or ought to be) off-limits to whites. That seems to be a cottage industry on the Left.
Hello Captain False Equivalence.
Anyone else appreciate the fact that the Left has been on a several year jihad against bullying in schools then they come to this?
Delicious irony. Made my day.
CapTimes says “We’re only against bullying the children because THE CHILDREN!”
Looks like it doesn’t take much to make your day.
Yep. Its a gift.
Let’s cut to the chase. The mainstream left is embracing violence. It is being accepted and promoted by the media, academics, and politicians.
After those kids were bullied and harassed by a 30 year old man for wearing a MAGA hat you had people like Temple University professor and CNN personality Marc Lamont Hill supporting his actions. You have Maxine Waters encouraging intimidation of Trump staffers (chances this doesn’t spill over to people who don’t work for the administration are exactly zero). After the Berkeley riots Robert Reich claimed the mobs of violent leftists beating an pepper spraying people were actually part of a right wing conspiracy. While mobs of leftists were attacking people attending Trump rallies, the media were having vapors that an anti-Trump protester got punched… once.
The message has been clear and consistent. Trumps supporters are bad people (deplorables, fascists, nazis) who cause the the left to be violent and deserve what they get. Being ahistorical fuckwits I’m fairly confident the idiots promoting this have no idea how dangerous this actually is. But hey, the important thing is emoting one’s feels and enjoying a little self righteous ego masturbation. If people get killed it’s a small price to pay. Because, like Pillsbury Doughboy stunt double Dave Zweifel, these assholes don’t believe they will be the ones getting punched in the face. They believe others will commit violence on their behalf and none will be visited upon them.
Why don’t you start with the head ahistorical f**kwit, your president? “There were very fine people on both sides.” Listen to his jibberish at any of his rallies. Sheesh.
ABob, President Trump made the equivalence of good people on both sides regarding the removal of Confederate monuments and was right. You are repeating what is a deliberate lie, I assume out of ignorance.
poor richard now, he’ll lie but I haven’t thought that of you.
You guys and your revisionist history. He was talking about the marchers, the demonstrators who turned violent. The Nazis. You’re the one who is deliberately lying, but I’m sure it should be attributed to Breitbart.
Thank you for providing such an apt example Bob. I think it’s fair to assume our friend Bob here is upset, not because the President lumped those attempting to violently suppress the expression of unpopular opinions in with “very fine people”, but because he didn’t endorse their actions. As I was noting, lefties like Bob are quite comfortable with political violence as long as it’s done is support of their feels.
Of course we know Bob was referring to the nationalists in Charlotte. This is because folks like ANTIFA have the tacit, and often express, support of the mainstream left. They are more than happy to see conservative speakers silenced and Trump supporters attacked (because we all know they’re secretly nazis). These idiots need to take a look down the road and see where the normalization of political violence takes us.
I love how Bob takes us from “marchers” to “demonstrators who turned violent” to “Nazis” all in one sentence. A perfect demonstration of the left’s rhetorical tactics. To them, if you’re on the right and you’re a marcher, you’re only two steps away from being a Nazi.
Someone explain karma to Dave Zweifel, Mad Maxine et. al.
Poor Lefty, sad Lefty, monumentally ButtHurt Lefty.
They laughably believe they’re imbued with secular divination when really they’re circling the drain; dropping below the…um…bench of an ideological outhouse, if you’s prefer.
It gets worse
Marc Thiessen: The left’s contempt is going to re-elect Trump
“Democrats are deluding themselves if they think they lost because of ‘#NeverHillary’ voters who will come home when she is not on the ballot.
“They lost because they have become a party of coastal liberal elites who have lost touch with millions of ordinary citizens in Middle America — working-class voters who are struggling with factories closing, jobs leaving and an opioid epidemic that is destroying their families.” (bolds mine)
https://host.madison.com/wsj/opinion/column/marc-thiessen-the-left-s-contempt-is-going-to-re/article_d129a031-536d-50e1-ba90-6003df7b4124.html
Paraphrasing Major Malcolm A. Powers’ (Everett McGill) cryptic quote to Clint Eastwood’s Gunny Highway in the seminal flick Heartbreak Ridge: ”(Lefty is) too old, too prideful, too stupid to change.”
The Gotch
Out of touch elites?????????????? You mean like carson and his 39,000 office remodel, 500k no bid contract to his kid, Pruitt; well we won’t even go there. trump’s family giving green cards with every condo sold. I could go on gootch. jobs leaving like HD. farmers scared to death of going under because of a stupid trade war. Taking kids away from their parents and now they have no friggin’ idea where they are. You shouldn’t be drinking this early in the morning.
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ABob. Here is the context and a verbatim quote from President Trump at the press conference about Charlottesville;
“”Above all else, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our God. We love our flag. We’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are. So, we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we’re doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally we have to love each other.”
Retract your statement or provide the quote, so often lied about or be a liar.
SJW’s always lie, and they always double down.
counting as always on the unstinting support of the MSM.
I have nothing to retract. He said it. You choosing another quote is evidence of nothing besides Trump and the right’s comfort with lying about what Trump is recorded actually saying. That’s the real fake news, you and your alternative facts. Here you go, Mr. Revisionism:
Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame- Yes. I do think there’s blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides and I have no doubt about it and you don’t have any doubt about it either and- and- and- and if you reported it accurately, you would say it.
[Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]
Reporter: Neo-Nazis started this in Charlottesville. They showed up at Charlottesville, they-
Trump: Excuse me.
Reporter: To protest the removal of that-
Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Reality is a pesky thing, eh Splat, Dad and Spocket?
I am quite aware of what Trump said and the context it was spoken in. I am also aware you are entirely fine with using violence to suppress speech you disapprove of. The reality of Charlottesville is that it would have been nothing but some basement dwellers marching around with tiki torches had violent leftist not decided that they are the arbiters of who gets to speak in our society.
There are plenty of shit bags on the left I would like to see die in a fire, but I would not demand they be silenced. I am not willing to sacrifice living in a free and open society simply to escape hearing things that piss me off. I also do not believe violence has a place in political discourse. But I suppose that’s because I read history. Normalizing violence in political discourse is opening the door to hell.
Glad you know what Trump said, Splat and Dad seemed confused. I am no advocate of violence or suppressing speech, and neither have a place in political discourse. In Charlottesville you had outright Nazis and white nationalists, heavily armored and armed, marching with swastikas and stars and bars. They had a right to. You also had counter protesters, exercising the right to protest the Nazis. Nazis; counter-Nazis. They’re not equivalent.
The reporter’s question is a perfect example of weasly MSM “journalism.” Was every single person protesting the removal of General Lee’s statue a Neo-Nazi? Odds are some were simply people who objected to history being re-written by a bunch of sanctimonious twits who took it upon themselves to decide what others see or don’t see in a public park.
There is no support for neo nazi in anything you quoted and ascribe to the president. Nothing. The lie is when you spin it 180 degrees into your stupid fantasy.
And your dishonesty therein is apparent to anyone that doesn’t have his head so far up his derangement he can’t think critically.
Your “reality” is a tortured, twisted semblance of anything rational.
Pathetic.
Nazis/people protesting Nazis. There aren’t fine people on both sides of that divide.
There’s not much to say to your response. I’m afraid it’s too telling.
Cohen considered resigning from Trump’s cabinet over this statement. Other members publicly protested it. I’m not the one living in a stupid fantasy, Splat. Splat.
ABob is only for violence while murdering truth and torturing common sense. His protestations are too thin to bear any logic. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame was right when he said the Left has never gotten over the shock of President Trump’s election. They were promised! They promised each other, NYT 94%, Vox 98% Hillary has a lock.
To make sense of her loss they had to believe the country is full of nazis, over night. Klansmen too. Some still do.
Keep up the self delusion ABob, thinking we’re led by a nazi will gin up your Blue Wave no end.
Two years later and you remain stuck. No progress. No relief.
You should be on Trump’s payroll. Like the city fathers of ancient Greece would pay an alcoholic to stay drunk as a warning to others.
You could persuade people to vote for Tammy Baldwin because she’s against nazis. (Just don’t tell Tammy they were the Socialist Workers Party. She might change her mind.)
Ask any lunatic if their sane.
ABob is only for violence while murdering truth and torturing common sense. His protestations are too thin to bear any logic. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame was right when he said the Left has never gotten over the shock of President Trump’s election. They were promised! They promised each other, NYT 94%, Vox 98% Hillary has a lock.
To make sense of her loss they had to believe the country is full of nazis, over night. Klansmen too. Some still do.
Keep up the self delusion ABob, thinking we’re led by a nazi will gin up your Blue Wave no end.
Two years later and you remain stuck. No progress. No relief.
You should be on Trump’s payroll. Like the city fathers of ancient Greece would pay an alcoholic to stay drunk as a warning to others.
You could persuade people to vote for Tammy Baldwin because she’s against nazis. (Just don’t tell Tammy they were the Socialist Workers Party. She might change her mind.)
Nah, I don’t think Trump’s a Nazi. He’s a nothing. He just doesn’t have a problem with Nazis. Richard Spencer and David Duke LOVE him. And you’re still hung up on that socialist part of NAZI; you think it’s leftist? You’re awfully literal and not too nuanced about language, are you. Tell me, how do you explain what a titmouse is?
Baloney unless you admit that this nothing of a man has brought you this low, this long and you show no sign of becoming rational, honest or capable of critical thought and analysis.
And on second thought a titmouse is what we see every time you’ve cried WOLF!
A titmouse is the reality portion of an ABob roar of outrage.
Not too nuanced, but a comedian all the same! Har!