[Washington] was demanding racial parity in school discipline, regardless of who was being disruptive, which is as silly as demanding racial parity in police arrests, regardless of who’s committing crimes. …
Jason L. Riley
Like other liberal advocates of school-discipline reform, [then-U.S. Education Secretary] Arne Duncan … insisted that blacks are suspended at higher rates than other groups only because school officials are racially biased. “It’s not caused by differences in children,” he said. “It is adult behavior that needs to change.”
Yet many of the schools where these uneven discipline rates persist have minority principals and no shortage of minority teachers and administrators. What would be their motive for singling out black and brown kids for suspensions and expulsions, unless those students’ behavior warrants it? And why shouldn’t we expect to find varying rates of misbehavior among racial and ethnic groups in school, when that is exactly what we find outside school?
The bigger problem with these anti-suspension crusades is that they ultimately harm the groups they are supposed to help. After New York City made it more difficult to remove troublemakers from the classroom, schools with the highest percentages of minority students were more likely to experience an increase in fighting, gang activity and drug use.
A federal report on school crime and safety released last year by the National Center for Education Statistics found that 25% of black students nationwide reported being bullied, the highest proportion of any racial or ethnic group.
Blaska’s Bottom Line: Blaska is running for Madison school board to return discipline, accountability, and performance to the head of the class. BTW: Looks like there might be a primary on February 19 as another status quo, business-as-usual candidate emerges.
41 responses to “Basing school discipline on race only hurts minority kids”
Tom Paine
Exactly…….but as I suggested before, what policy application for those who, for whatever host of excuses, refuse? Will administrators and board go along, or will they cave to angry parents?
One thing for sure, if you go down the road to [conservative] progressive reform, any backtracking will be out of the question.
Same as the debate for state laws to decriminalize weed…..as though that will solve the problem.
It will not. The culture must be reformed…..but there are no agents for change, and least among the cast are those OVERLY-paid administrators and DPI educrats.
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Patrick M O’Loughlin
And wet streets cause rain.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
Shouldn’t be too long before Li’l Jeffy Simpson waddles in claiming that citing the talented Mr. Riley’s column is proof positive of the everything’s a dogwhistle aspect of this blog.
The Gotch
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richard lesiak
I like his blog and also the fact he posts using his real name.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
Then, and I don’t think I’m alone on this, youse should head on over there and STAY…and don’t let the door hit youse where the Good Lord split youse!
The Gotch
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richard lesiak
If it wasn’t for me you would be as lonely here as trump is in the WH. I noticed the absence of batdung and that other fake zoltar. Did they finally get sick of you too?
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Cornelius Gotchberg
This site’s regular White Guilt suffocated Lefty hand-wringers are conspicuously absent on this.
Curious, that.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
@richard lesiak;
“I only speak for myself.”
And as per usual, add less than nothing.
“From the looks of it there isn’t much of a conversation going on here anyway.”
If it’s peace-n-quiet youse seek, head over to Li’l Jeffy’s blog where you’s can hear a pin drop!
well dave, not sure why anyone would feel the need to come and respond to everything you write but this line caught my eye and was great for a good laugh.
“another status quo, business-as-usual candidate emerges.”
By that you mean woman of color, who is an entreprenuer, highly educated, has kids in the district and has not sued MMSD frivolously is run of the mill then i guess you nailed it.
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richard lesiak
sounds like she is exactly who is needed on the board.
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Gary L. Kriewald
Of course, anyone who’s ever sued MMSD must have done so “frivolously,” since any organization composed of sanctimonious upper-middle class Madison liberals is utterly and in all thing beyond reproach. The fact that members of the School Board are incapable of conducting a routine meeting without kowtowing to potty-mouthed fanatical cop-haters is beside the point.
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jeffsimpson7
of course everyone who sues mmsd isnt frivolous….but Dave/gootch lawsuit was frivolous…it was thrown out of the courts quicker than a black person getting kicked out of a Scott Walker rally.
Plus he worked with WILL and all they do is file frivolous lawsuits!
#tortreform
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Cornelius Gotchberg
Li’l Jeffy thinks he’s down with the Black Community.
Why? Because he’s a White Lefty Guilt suffocated Lefty–Full Stop!
Awwww; isn’t THAT cute!
The Gotch
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Stannous
Don’t you mean quicker than MMSD considering a charter school proposed by a black man?
A word of caution: The only retort that exists in Li’l Jeffy’s…um….skill set when it encounters someone violating his myopic World View will be to call youse a RACIST.
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Stannous
I apologize. I was wrong no government agency can ever have an implicit bias against a new idea. You meant to say faster than MTI could come up with three reasons to refuse to participate in a charter school proposed by a black man.
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jeffsimpson7
rewording it doesnt make it true
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Patrick M. O’Loughlin
Madison Prep was thoroughly vetted and found wanting of union control. MTI’s motto: Every child deserves an indoctrination from a union member who could not care less about the child’s education.
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Stannous
Make what true? I merely offered comparisons to how quickly a black person would be kicked out of a Scott Walker rally.
Wrong, Simpson. My case lingered in the courts for years until it finally became moot when the school board adopted a handbook instead of a contract.
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richard lesiak
hey gootchie; I’m curious about that lawsuit mentioned above. Explain that and why you lost. That would certainly expand the conversation here that you crave so badly.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
@AnonyBob;
“why’d YOU get involved?”
Huh?
Um…involved in what, exactly?
For you’s at home: THIS is what happens when those of diminished capacity try to punch above their weight.
The Gotch
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AnonyBob
Read above, Gootchie-boy. What was your interest, why did you join the lawsuit?
http://www.will-law.org/our-cases/act-10/blaska-v-mmsd-sannes-v-mmsd/. It didn’t last a year before it got tossed. How much money did you cost the finevfolks of the mmsd in lawyer fees getting your ridiculous frivolous lawsuit tossed? Also why lie about it? Just own it and campaign on it.
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Gary L. Kriewald
Listening to a Madison liberal lament the squandering of taxpayers’ money is like listening to a Sunday School lesson from Stormy Daniels.
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jeffsimpson7
I take it you havent been paying attention in WI these last 8 years….is there a bigger myth than republicans are fiscal conservatives?
“the best school she ever worked at was in Texas, where her PRINCIPAL NOT ONLY MANAGED TO SUSPEND THE MOST DISRUPTIVE FOR LONG PERIODS, HE ALSO MADE SURE THEY WERE NOT ADMITTED TO ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE DISTRICT. It worked; they got good results. (bolds/caps mine)
She also discusses the loosening of lax disciplinary rulings.
Hmmm; you’s mean like making sure troublemakers have 100 % access to their cellphones during class and taxpayer-funded legal representation after they attack other students or staff?
But that could never happen here…right?
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jeffsimpson7
If you are against legal representation, maybe you should take that up with the radical lefties like Jefferson, Madison, Paine, etc…
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Cornelius Gotchberg
THAT’S yer takeaway??
A Monona Grove School Board member has reading comprehension that’s THAT pitiable?
Sheesh; small wonder Johnny, Juan, & Javon CAN’T read, either!
Ah Li’l Jeffy, always wrong but never in doubt; you couldn’t have possibly missed the point by a larger margin.
But such is the life of a hyper-partisan Progressive Dane shill!
Jeff, I swear to God, when I’m done running for school board here in Madison I’m doing a mass media campaign when your term expires to let voters in Monona and Cottage Grove know that you support taxpayer-paid legal representation for kids facing school discipline.
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jeffsimpson7
Dave, you can start February 20th and please do…..Although if anyone asks me I will for sure tell them that I do feel that way being a strict Constitutionalist that I am. I know you think there is only one amendment but there are others…you should read them sometimes, too tough a read for Ron Johnson but a good read for the rest of us.
Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
Li’l Jeffy standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America?
The 4th Amendment? So long as the targets are the RIGHT targets, and CNN is tipped off first, am I right?
The 5th Amendment? Didn’t the Scandal Free Hopey Changey Administration wear that one out?
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Cornelius Gotchberg
And lest we forget, up-n-coming Junior Lefty Sean Taylor verily filled with the Lefty pap he’s been spoon-fed, and swallowed whole, at University.
Whaddya bet Li’l Sean thinks the 12th Amendment (specifically Article II, Section 1, Clause 3) is “irrelevant” because, of, like, you know, the Resistance and The Donald?
The inescapable irony? Li’l Sean is JUST the kind of needle-neck that would be ground into dust without the protections of the Founding Document, which Lefty ONLY invokes when their collective @$$e$ are in a sling.
David Blaska wrote, “you support taxpayer-paid legal representation for kids facing school discipline”
jeffsimpson7 replied, “Although if anyone asks me I will for sure tell them that I do feel that way being a strict Constitutionalist that I am.”
You are a Constitutionalist? Hogwash!
You quoted, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”
1. The children facing school discipline have not broken laws.
2. There is no criminal prosecution in schools discipline.
3. There is no trial.
4. There is no jury.
5. The state does not pay for legal defense in civil court or the court of public opinion, they only pay for legal defense in criminal court.
When a student cusses out a teacher and disrupts a class that’s not criminal it’s undisciplined morally bankrupt behavior that requires that student to be disciplined, it does not belong in a court of law.
Your idea that tax-payer funded legal defense should be provided to students facing school disciplinary actions is a complete bastardization of the constitution. This kind of thinking is what will steer a society towards legal chaos and subsequent civil chaos. When you discipline your children should the state be paying for their legal defense to challenge your discipline? You are dead wrong about supporting tax-payer legal defense for students facing school discipline.
You are not a Constitutionalist.
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madisonexpat
If Jeff Simpson wants legal representation for disruptive students, what crime does he want to first charge them with?
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madisonexpat
Jeff Simpson is as much a Constitutionalist as he is an honest man.
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Cornelius Gotchberg
Dave, you can start February 20th and please do
Whaddya bet that, after this high speed collision with a fact-based reality, Li’l Jeffy’s suffering from some pretty painfully chapped butt cheeks right about now?
The Gotch
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41 responses to “Basing school discipline on race only hurts minority kids”
Exactly…….but as I suggested before, what policy application for those who, for whatever host of excuses, refuse? Will administrators and board go along, or will they cave to angry parents?
One thing for sure, if you go down the road to [conservative] progressive reform, any backtracking will be out of the question.
Same as the debate for state laws to decriminalize weed…..as though that will solve the problem.
It will not. The culture must be reformed…..but there are no agents for change, and least among the cast are those OVERLY-paid administrators and DPI educrats.
And wet streets cause rain.
Shouldn’t be too long before Li’l Jeffy Simpson waddles in claiming that citing the talented Mr. Riley’s column is proof positive of the everything’s a dogwhistle aspect of this blog.
The Gotch
I like his blog and also the fact he posts using his real name.
Then, and I don’t think I’m alone on this, youse should head on over there and STAY…and don’t let the door hit youse where the Good Lord split youse!
The Gotch
If it wasn’t for me you would be as lonely here as trump is in the WH. I noticed the absence of batdung and that other fake zoltar. Did they finally get sick of you too?
This site’s regular White Guilt suffocated Lefty hand-wringers are conspicuously absent on this.
Curious, that.
The Gotch
@richard lesiak;
“I only speak for myself.”
And as per usual, add less than nothing.
“From the looks of it there isn’t much of a conversation going on here anyway.”
If it’s peace-n-quiet youse seek, head over to Li’l Jeffy’s blog where you’s can hear a pin drop!
https://www.cogdis.me/
The Gotch
well dave, not sure why anyone would feel the need to come and respond to everything you write but this line caught my eye and was great for a good laugh.
“another status quo, business-as-usual candidate emerges.”
By that you mean woman of color, who is an entreprenuer, highly educated, has kids in the district and has not sued MMSD frivolously is run of the mill then i guess you nailed it.
sounds like she is exactly who is needed on the board.
Of course, anyone who’s ever sued MMSD must have done so “frivolously,” since any organization composed of sanctimonious upper-middle class Madison liberals is utterly and in all thing beyond reproach. The fact that members of the School Board are incapable of conducting a routine meeting without kowtowing to potty-mouthed fanatical cop-haters is beside the point.
of course everyone who sues mmsd isnt frivolous….but Dave/gootch lawsuit was frivolous…it was thrown out of the courts quicker than a black person getting kicked out of a Scott Walker rally.
Plus he worked with WILL and all they do is file frivolous lawsuits!
#tortreform
Li’l Jeffy thinks he’s down with the Black Community.
Why? Because he’s a White Lefty Guilt suffocated Lefty–Full Stop!
Awwww; isn’t THAT cute!
The Gotch
Don’t you mean quicker than MMSD considering a charter school proposed by a black man?
Stann nope I dont mean that at all….Madison prep was thoroughly vetted and found wanting of actually being good for the kids of MMSd so it was turned down….was referring to this….https://fox6now.com/2015/07/14/invited-in-but-then-asked-to-leave-mandela-barnes-talks-about-experience-at-walker-campaign-launch/
@Stannous;
Heh, good one!
A word of caution: The only retort that exists in Li’l Jeffy’s…um….skill set when it encounters someone violating his myopic World View will be to call youse a RACIST.
The Gotch
I apologize. I was wrong no government agency can ever have an implicit bias against a new idea. You meant to say faster than MTI could come up with three reasons to refuse to participate in a charter school proposed by a black man.
rewording it doesnt make it true
Madison Prep was thoroughly vetted and found wanting of union control. MTI’s motto: Every child deserves an indoctrination from a union member who could not care less about the child’s education.
Make what true? I merely offered comparisons to how quickly a black person would be kicked out of a Scott Walker rally.
Wrong, Simpson. My case lingered in the courts for years until it finally became moot when the school board adopted a handbook instead of a contract.
hey gootchie; I’m curious about that lawsuit mentioned above. Explain that and why you lost. That would certainly expand the conversation here that you crave so badly.
@AnonyBob;
“why’d YOU get involved?”
Huh?
Um…involved in what, exactly?
For you’s at home: THIS is what happens when those of diminished capacity try to punch above their weight.
The Gotch
Read above, Gootchie-boy. What was your interest, why did you join the lawsuit?
https://daveblaska.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/pestcontrol.png
http://www.will-law.org/our-cases/act-10/blaska-v-mmsd-sannes-v-mmsd/. It didn’t last a year before it got tossed. How much money did you cost the finevfolks of the mmsd in lawyer fees getting your ridiculous frivolous lawsuit tossed? Also why lie about it? Just own it and campaign on it.
Listening to a Madison liberal lament the squandering of taxpayers’ money is like listening to a Sunday School lesson from Stormy Daniels.
I take it you havent been paying attention in WI these last 8 years….is there a bigger myth than republicans are fiscal conservatives?
Now don’t go exciting Old Baldy like that.
The problem is not “racist” teachers but an “ethos of hostile resistance” to education and good citizenship.
https://quillette.com/2019/02/10/public-educations-dirty-secret/
@lloyd1927;
EXCELLENT article! Everyone should read this!
“the best school she ever worked at was in Texas, where her PRINCIPAL NOT ONLY MANAGED TO SUSPEND THE MOST DISRUPTIVE FOR LONG PERIODS, HE ALSO MADE SURE THEY WERE NOT ADMITTED TO ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE DISTRICT. It worked; they got good results. (bolds/caps mine)
She also discusses the loosening of lax disciplinary rulings.
Hmmm; you’s mean like making sure troublemakers have 100 % access to their cellphones during class and taxpayer-funded legal representation after they attack other students or staff?
But that could never happen here…right?
The Gotch
If you are against legal representation, maybe you should take that up with the radical lefties like Jefferson, Madison, Paine, etc…
THAT’S yer takeaway??
A Monona Grove School Board member has reading comprehension that’s THAT pitiable?
Sheesh; small wonder Johnny, Juan, & Javon CAN’T read, either!
Ah Li’l Jeffy, always wrong but never in doubt; you couldn’t have possibly missed the point by a larger margin.
But such is the life of a hyper-partisan Progressive Dane shill!
The Gotch
Jeff, I swear to God, when I’m done running for school board here in Madison I’m doing a mass media campaign when your term expires to let voters in Monona and Cottage Grove know that you support taxpayer-paid legal representation for kids facing school discipline.
Dave, you can start February 20th and please do…..Although if anyone asks me I will for sure tell them that I do feel that way being a strict Constitutionalist that I am. I know you think there is only one amendment but there are others…you should read them sometimes, too tough a read for Ron Johnson but a good read for the rest of us.
Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Li’l Jeffy standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America?
Try again!
Didn’t youse get the memo, Li’l Jeffy?
Per Rahmbo, the 1st Amendment is Highly Overrated.
The 2nd Amendment? Fuggedaboudit!
The 4th Amendment? So long as the targets are the RIGHT targets, and CNN is tipped off first, am I right?
The 5th Amendment? Didn’t the Scandal Free Hopey Changey Administration wear that one out?
The Gotch
And lest we forget, up-n-coming Junior Lefty Sean Taylor verily filled with the Lefty pap he’s been spoon-fed, and swallowed whole, at University.
Whaddya bet Li’l Sean thinks the 12th Amendment (specifically Article II, Section 1, Clause 3) is “irrelevant” because, of, like, you know, the Resistance and The Donald?
The inescapable irony? Li’l Sean is JUST the kind of needle-neck that would be ground into dust without the protections of the Founding Document, which Lefty ONLY invokes when their collective @$$e$ are in a sling.
The Gotch
David Blaska wrote, “you support taxpayer-paid legal representation for kids facing school discipline”
jeffsimpson7 replied, “Although if anyone asks me I will for sure tell them that I do feel that way being a strict Constitutionalist that I am.”
You are a Constitutionalist? Hogwash!
You quoted, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”
1. The children facing school discipline have not broken laws.
2. There is no criminal prosecution in schools discipline.
3. There is no trial.
4. There is no jury.
5. The state does not pay for legal defense in civil court or the court of public opinion, they only pay for legal defense in criminal court.
When a student cusses out a teacher and disrupts a class that’s not criminal it’s undisciplined morally bankrupt behavior that requires that student to be disciplined, it does not belong in a court of law.
Your idea that tax-payer funded legal defense should be provided to students facing school disciplinary actions is a complete bastardization of the constitution. This kind of thinking is what will steer a society towards legal chaos and subsequent civil chaos. When you discipline your children should the state be paying for their legal defense to challenge your discipline? You are dead wrong about supporting tax-payer legal defense for students facing school discipline.
You are not a Constitutionalist.
If Jeff Simpson wants legal representation for disruptive students, what crime does he want to first charge them with?
Jeff Simpson is as much a Constitutionalist as he is an honest man.
Dave, you can start February 20th and please do
Whaddya bet that, after this high speed collision with a fact-based reality, Li’l Jeffy’s suffering from some pretty painfully chapped butt cheeks right about now?
The Gotch