but is it a crime — or a legal stratagem?
Even this 33-year dues-paying RINO can differentiate between the attempted insurrection of January 6 (2021) and the so-called “false electors” scheme.
The former was criminal and violent. It did succeed, albeit for only about 12 hours. The latter did not succeed and falls within the rubric of the previous court challenges, however much a Hail Mary. Hardly criminal.
Today’s New York Times recounts the role of Wisconsin attorney Kenneth Chesebro and former Dane County Judge Jim Troupis (a personal friend) in the alternate electors strategy. Chesebro himself, the author of that strategy, admitted his approach was “a bold, controversial strategy” that the Supreme Court “likely” would reject in the end.
The 10 Wisconsin electors and Troupis are defending a lawsuit filed in May 2022 by two Democratic electors and a voter represented by Madison-based Law Forward and the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at the Georgetown University Law Center. The suit seeks $2.4 million. (Pick a number!)
A “crucial link” to a criminal conspiracy is not necessarily criminal itself.
The alternate electors gambit may well have been “a crucial link in how the Trump team’s efforts evolved into a criminal conspiracy,” as the leftist newspaper describes it. But logic dictates that a “crucial link” to a criminal conspiracy is not necessarily criminal itself. For want of a better analogy, the purchase of a firearm may be a crucial link to a murder but is not itself criminal. The NY Times writes:
Even if the plan did not ultimately pass legal muster at the highest level, Mr. Chesebro argued that it would achieve two goals. It would focus attention on claims of voter fraud and “buy the Trump campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive Biden of electoral votes and/or add to Trump’s column.
— New York Times
Hardly criminal!
The 1960 Hawaii precedent
The Times continues:
Mr. Chesebro, who is described as Co-Conspirator 5 in the indictment but has not been charged by the special counsel, addressed the second memo to James R. Troupis, a lawyer who was assisting the Trump campaign’s efforts to challenge Mr. Biden’s victory in Wisconsin.
It was not the first time Mr. Chesebro had raised the notion of creating alternate electors. In November, he had suggested doing so in Wisconsin, although for a different reason: to safeguard Mr. Trump’s rights in case he later won a court battle and was declared that state’s certified winner by Jan. 6, as had happened with Hawaii in 1960.
Prosecutor Jack Smith’s indictment of Trump portrayed the second memo, issued Dec. 6, as a “sharp departure” from that proposal, indeed, a criminal plot. But even the Times admits Chesebro acknowledged that the stratagem would work only “unless and until Biden can obtain a favorable decision from the Supreme Court upholding the Electoral Count Act as constitutional, or otherwise recognizing the power of Congress (and not the president of the Senate) to count the votes.”
(The Times goes on to speculate that Conspirator #6 is Boris Epshteyn, a campaign strategic adviser for the Trump campaign who was paid for political consulting. “That day, Mr. Epshteyn sent Mr. Giuliani an email recommending lawyers in those seven states.”)
→ Politico breaks down Chesebro’s three memos to Troupis: November 18, December 6, and December 9, 2020.
Blaska’s Bottom Line: The NY Times writes that Chesebro cited Harvard Law School professor Laurence H. Tribe to bolster his argument that the deadlines and procedures in the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional and that state electoral votes need not be finalized until Congress’s certification on Jan. 6. Tribe disputes Chesebro’s reading.

18 responses to “‘False electors’ may be a scheme”
My dear David, are you out of your friggin mind to say that the phony electors plot is perfectly legit because it failed.
If I hire someone to bump you off to shut up your big mouth, and the person I hire proceeds to your house to shut you down, but, at the last minute, decides not to shoot his gun because there are too many people around, aren’t I still guilty of conspiring to rub you out — regardless of the fact that I did not succeed this time? Was my payment to the assassin for the assignment just aspirational????
The obvious key point that creates the criminal act for phony electors is that, first, Trump conspired to have Republican allies in several states secretly declare themselves to be the valid electoral votes for Trump EVEN WHEN THERE HAS BEEN NO COURT ORDER OVERTURNING THE CERTIFIED ELECTORS; and then, second, threatened Pence with physical retribution from his crazy supports if he did not ILLEGALLY accept those phony Republican electors in the Congressional count of votes.
This was made doubly crystal clear when the President’s henchmen told Pennsylvania Republicans, when they said that they needed their certification for Trump to state that it only applied if a court order overturned the legitimate certification for Biden, and the henchmen relented, but urged the Pennsylvania Republicans to not mention this to the other states.
If you attempt to come back and say Trump was not criminally liable because, after an extensive search after getting repeated legal advice that it was not legal by his White House counsel and his Attorney General, finally found two fringe outside lawyers who would say it was, that would be quite a hoot — and an unlikely vote of confidence by you in the uniform integrity of the entire legal profession.
Peter, missed you at the book club Monday. No one is excusing Trump’s exhortation of the January 6 mob. But seems to me that Chesebro’s angle was to test the law, not break my jaw.
I don’t think there’s many people other than you (and Trump) who think Chesbro honestly thought it was a reasonable legal argument to send manifestly phony elector certificates to Pence on January 6th, when he knew there was no court decision overturning Biden’s certification in that or any state (in fact, unless he was a certified imbecile, he knew fully well that there were SIXTY TWO court decisions throwing out each and every legal claim of illegal votes, not to mention the fact that in each of those jurisdiction where the court specifically asked Trump’s lawyers to produce the evidence of voter theft that they promised, NONE was ever produced), and also when the phony certifications were neither conditioned on there first being a court decision overturning Biden’s certification, yet seeking to have Pence nonetheless use those manifestly phony certificates to declare Trump the real winner, that that could be in any possible legal construction to support the claim. Look at those words David. For god’s sake have you lost your once ample faculties. Face the music. You’re pumping out your blogs to fast to give sufficient thought to everything you say and sometimes nonsense comes out.
Retired UW-Madison law professor Ann (of) Althouse:
“Whatever the details of what Professor Tribe really meant, the question now is whether the Chesebro interpretation is so manifestly wrong as a legal theory that Trump could not creditably rely on it in fighting, legally, for a victory in the 2020 election. Chesebro, who worked directly with Tribe, was citing Tribe as an authority and purporting to know what Tribe meant and presenting this legal theory as something that could be pursued legally. It’s supposed to be a crime for Trump to have relied on that?”
Continue to maintain Trump’s real crime was to aid and abet (indeed, encourage) the January 6 riot/insurrection. The Chesebro gambit was prelude to that. As I wrote, “a “crucial link” to a criminal conspiracy is not necessarily criminal itself.”
The legal “profession” is a red light district. Al Capone, like Mr. Trump, had attorneys telling him what he wanted to hear. Context is critical. Here Mr. Trump had his own White House Counsel and his Attorney General telling him his entire “legal” gambit was a fraud. But, Trump was not satisfied, so he kept casting a legal net wider till he found his boy. Give me a break.
“Even this 33-year dues-paying RINO can differentiate between the attempted insurrection of January 6 (2021) and the so-called “false electors” scheme.”
Yet you can’t differentiate between stealing a podium and overthrowing the government. I hope you and Biden end up in the same nursing home, swapping fibs.
But this RINO can differentiate b/w breaking glass and doors, and injuring police while chanting “Where’s Nancy” and “Hang Mike Pence” — and the lame excuse you call “stealing a podium.”
Chanting! Better call 911!
Camp Randall on a football Saturday must give you the vapors.
October 1st, 2022 @Camp Randall gave The Gotch the vapors…..and THEN SOME!
The Gotch
October 21 – bring it on Bielema!
There’s a new Sheriff in town.
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All these people belong in prison.
Your proposed defense may very well keep Chesebro out of jail, but it will not help the ten electors. They will all be charged under state law.
Perhaps most relevant, Wisconsin Statute § 946.69(2) makes “falsely assuming to act as a public officer” a Class I felony. By “exercising powers as if legally constituted” as public officers, the fake electors might also be found guilty of misconduct in public office under Wis. Stat. § 946.18. Charges for simulating legal process under Wis. Stat. § 946.68 may be viable here as well. The fake electors and those who assisted them may also be charged for conspiracy to commit criminal acts (Wis. Stat. § 939.31) or as “parties to a crime” (Wis. Stat. § 939.31). What’s more, even if a court finds that the actions of the false electors ultimately fell short of their intended—and likely criminal—goals, the very attempt to commit any one of the aforementioned crimes may be prosecuted under Wis. Stat. § 939.32(3). Simply put, the range of available prosecutorial options is broad.
Just imagine the legal fees. First the civil case, then the state criminal case and then the federal criminal case.
The evidence is easily examined – there are signed documents all over the place.
And, by the way, someone get Feehan a lawyer who will tell him to keep his mouth shut.
DG: Thank you for the explanation of violations committed by the gullible faux electors. I hope they are charged, tried, and convicted. And sentenced to a punishment appropriate to traitors attempting to overthrow our democracy.
Amen OB
A January 3, 2023 AP article says:
On Jan. 4, 2021, according to a question asked by a Jan. 6 committee member, (WI Republican Party executive director) Jefferson texted (WI Republican party chair) Hitt that “freaking Trump idiots want someone to fly original elector papers to the Senate President.”
I presume “freaking Trump idiots” includes your friend Troupis.
On January 6, Troupis tried to have Ron Johnson deliver the false elector documents from both Wisconsin and Michigan to Vice President Pence. A 6-23-2022 Politico article quotes Johnson:
– – – – – – – – –
But here’s what Johnson told “The Vicki McKenna Show” happened that morning (audio captured via American Bridge).
• At 11:36 a.m., Johnson says he got a text from Jim Troupis, then a Trump campaign counsel: “Need to get a document on Wisconsin electors to you and the VP immediately. Is there a staff person I can talk to immediately? Thanks, Jim.” (Troupis led a lawsuit attempting to overturn Trump’s Wisconsin loss.)
• According to Johnson, 6 minutes later he connected Troupis with his chief of staff, Sean Riley, via text. “Jim Troupis meet Sean Riley,” Johnson said it read.
• Later that morning, Riley tried to get Pence a list of fake electors from Michigan and Wisconsin. A top aide to Pence rebuffed that effort, the Jan. 6 panel revealed earlier this week.
If Troupis isn’t charged in Trumps’s conspiracy, he should at least be disbarred for his deep participation in attempting to overturn the 2022 election.
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-biden-politics-wisconsin-state-government-b7871ade87ff0809bab0103ef03c3432
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/06-23-2022/johnsons-latest-16-story/
And let’s impeach/charge rojo ( considered by his peers to be the dumbest senator on the Hill. But tuberville may now get that crown) as a co-conspirator.
More proof of rojo’s incompetence :
thedailybeast.com/ron-johnson-says-covid-was-pre-planned-in-batsht-fox-news-rant