All the ‘red flags’ in the world didn’t stop the Florida school shooter; a teacher’s Ruger might have

The Squire of the Stately Manor first proposed that schools allow their personnel to discreetly arm themselves several years ago. Madison school board’s former president called it the most stupid idea he has ever heard or was ever likely to hear. But he never offered an alternative.

98f025d0966a5366fd44e106cb83fd2cGiven the good ideas the school board has deep-sixed in the past, like the Urban League’s proposed Madison Prep charter high school, I got to think Up is Down and Left is Right on the Madison school board.

I put it to the Peanut Gallery: If you don’t like teachers carrying a concealed weapon in the halls and classrooms, how do you feel about mentally ill loners with a grudge stalking the hallways? Can you guarantee it won’t happen in your school?

Since the Policy Werkes first weighed in on the mass shooting at that Florida high school we learn that the school yearbook named the troubled kid as the Most Likely to Shoot Up the School. Well, almost. But for real:

  • Cops went to the kid’s home numerous times
  • Parkland High School expelled him for disciplinary reasons
  • The guy posted on You Tube he was a “professional school shooter”
  • His Instagram account captioned “arsenal” showed off pictures of his weaponry and dead animals
  • He told Snapchat he wanted to buy a gun

The New York Times headlined its story, “Florida shooting suspect showed every Red Flag.”

  • Florida social services conducted an in-home investigation
  • The kid was given mental health counseling
  • Citizens warned the FBI about him by name.

But liberals blame the gun!

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That’s Union Grove, Texas

So much for relying on government to keep us safe. So much for hoping enough government services will cure tomorrow’s mass murderer. Really, what was the FBI going to do? Send the poor bastard to Gitmo? Throw a net over the guy and haul him off to the head shop? If so, institutionalized under lock and key or out-patient? Talk to the ACLU about that one.

The usual suspects are out there banning AR-15 “assault weapons” under the mistaken assumption they are machine guns. In any event, there are something like 8.2 million of these extant in the U.S. out of over 310 million firearms. You’re gonna need a bigger magnet to scoop them all up.

One thoughtful visitor to the Stately Manor suggests hardening our school buildings with  double entry ways, bullet proof glass, airport-level metal detectors, solid metal doors to class rooms etc. Then staff up with armed guards. Fair enough, but school districts are scrapped for cash enough already without having to retrofit existing buildings, which are far more numerous than the regional airport. Or hire more personnel.

If you’re Madison, WI, you’re lucky your public high schools allow a single cop to patrol the hallways.

Blaska’s School Defenders cost less, require no additional hires, and introduce the element of randomness. If you don’t know which school staffer is armed, they are all armed.

Do you trust teachers with your children?

Require, encourage or, at least, allow school districts to accept volunteers among school personnel to carry concealed weapons on school premises.

  • On a voluntary basis and minimally compensated for their effort
  • Licensed to carry concealed (having passed their criminal background checks)
  • Trained in an active shooter situation. (Courses need to be developed)
  • Instructed that they are not expected to go John Wayne at Iwo Jima but that if confronted, they can do more than throw erasers
  • Certified by the AG’s office (same as CCW)
  • Registered with the AG, school district and local police but their identities remain confidential to everyone else
  • Remove liability for those who have been certified as School Defenders.

We will add one more:

  • Post public notices that school personnel are armed and prepared to defend students and faculty.

And yes, Keep Cops in Madison Schools!

Great mindsNational Review agrees: Arm Teachers!

UPDATE: Rural school district in Colorado votes to arm teachers

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40 Responses to All the ‘red flags’ in the world didn’t stop the Florida school shooter; a teacher’s Ruger might have

  1. AnonyBob says:

    I don’t know, Dave. The answer to too many, easily accessible guns is…more guns? Police officers with tons of training get pretty worked up in a firing situation. You expect school personnel, with much less training, to perform better? Will these teachers keep concealed weapons on their body at all times? Maybe in a purse? In a (hopefully always) locked desk? Strapped to their hip? (That’s an unnerving sight.) I can think back to some high-strung H.S. teachers who I would not have found it reassuring if they were carrying. And kids being kids, the chance of an unguarded moment leading to a tragedy sounds greater than the chance of preventing a mass shooting. I think these questions need to be considered carefully with this idea.
    Turning school facilities into hardened targets is a damning enough statement on our society. Arming teachers (the vast majority of who will tell you that is not why they got into education) is an even sadder statement. Maybe it’s time to focus on the guns. Sure, ban AR15 type weapons. (Too many own them? Too bad, so sad.) Regulate the hell out of all firearms, their purchase and purchasers. Maybe it’s time to amend or even curtail the 2nd Amendment (or else be in a well-regulated militia). No other country has this problem.

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    • David Blaska says:

      You talk about guns as if they were determinate. As if your values applied equally to George Patton and Adolf Hitler’s Wehrmacht. “Too many guns.” The problem in Parkland, Florida was too many guns in the hands of bad guys and not enough guns in the hands of good guys. You and your kind have been trying to abolish the 2nd Amendment for a generation without success. (More women are carrying than ever before; let us know when you succeed in eliminating rape.) So how about an answer that was actually obtainable? Finally, you do understand the concept of “concealed,” right?

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      • AnonyBob says:

        Could we at least consider that military-level weapons might not have a place in society? AR15s aren’t protecting women from rape nor would they be appropriate school protection. Are ANY restrictions considered reasonable by you “2nd Amendment enthusiasts?” Are we next going to hear, “Bring back tommy guns!”

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      • AnonyBob says:

        In the previous blog where you called for restrictions of high capacity magazines? That’s a start.

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  2. Tom Paine says:

    AnonyBob continues to argue like a carrot. Pointless to debate one, so I’ll respond to Sir Blaska:

    What exactly is the problem or set of problems some (or many) of us trying to solve? Guns are convenient tools, but so are trucks. Guns are not the problem. Nor are cars. The problem is the sick individual(s). They are not, under our Constitution, easily detained via preventive detention.

    Seems to me that Mark Levin had a point –> study the example of Israel and how it protects children/schools from terrorism. He said they are very successful for over 3 decades. They use trained, armed teachers.. Don’t know if Levin is correct, but those with knowledge/experience of their methods/practices should comment.

    Disclosure: former teacher of 3 decades; I hunt; I own several firearms; I only shoot 50 rds/yr. Former students were convicted of murder with a firearm; taught in a rural district where there were/are XX guns/household. Never had a gun or firearm incident in school; have found live ammo on my classroom floor during class breaks; am not an NRA member now, but have been in the past.

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    • AnonyBob says:

      Consider this example, more fitting than comparing us to Israel: twenty-two years ago a disturbed 28 year old man with a semi-automatic rifle in Australia killed 38, wounded 25. They banned such firearms. A government buyback program took 650,000 weapons off the streets. They haven’t had a mass shooting since. Whaaaaat? Yes, really. It just took some outrage (we have that) and some balls by a conservative leader (we don’t have that).
      “Sounds like it works,” said the carrot.

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      • AnonyBob says:

        Disclosure: I grew up hunting. I read Field & Stream in the barber shop back when the NRA was a conservation and gun safety organization. I don’t fear guns, I actually like them. I think they’re fun to shoot. Does that mean I, or anyone else with the money, should own an AR15? No. Keep shotguns and deer rifles in the hands of hunters and AR15s in the hands of the military. That’s a simple solution.

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      • Batman says:

        A well armed populace is the best deterrent to governmental tyranny. Everything else is details. The Aussies have the illusion of safety for now, but have actually rendered themselves sheeple…

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      • AnonyBob says:

        I know that’s an article of faith among you guys, but it’s completely ludicrous. Your power lies in the ballot box (which I admit, we did squander in 2016 when we elected our own tyrant), not in your ability to run around with an gun to “take on the gummint” – good luck with that untethered fantasy.

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  3. madisonexpat says:

    Geez, David, there you go proposing a common sense, workable, inexpensive and likely solution to the problem. Of course it’ll never be implemented in Madison, teeming as it is with ABobs. Their solution? An impossible gun confiscation, or, absent that, dialogue about nuanced grey ares of concern, sad emojis, ernest hashtags, dither, you know the drill.
    Do the minimum so that a school can honestly post signs saying they can and will protect their students.
    The next school shooter is out there. He has or has a plan to get his preferred weapon. He is likely known to someone in authority. The profile of these boys is amazingly similar.

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  4. Gary L. Kriewald says:

    Seems odd that a pubic high school as large and “diverse” as the one in Florida didn’t have well trained, armed security guards patrolling the halls. Maybe the administrators–and some parents– found that precaution as distasteful as the prissy liberals in Madison do.

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    • Batman says:

      The Squire’ recommendations are reasonable and make sense.
      There are an enormous number of unemployed veterans, many of whom would qualify to help protect our schools with proper vetting. I would like to see a rehab program developed to move these individuals into positions of protection beyond just schools. Eliminate some government waste to fund the program. If the will is there it can be done without increased taxes.

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  5. madisonexpat says:

    ABob,
    Squander? No. Best investment I’ve ever made.

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  6. Batman says:

    “Your power lies in the ballot box (which I admit, we did squander in 2016 when we elected our own tyrant), not in your ability to run around with an gun to “take on the gummint” – good luck with that untethered fantasy.”

    No need for hysterics, although somewhat amusing.
    It would be most unwise to go on offense and take on the government. That is not the point of well armed civilians. Think defense here bob-o.
    I am taking the long view.
    Already our Intelligence Agencies have become weaponized and government corruption continues to grow insidiously.
    The only untethered fantasy here is that you actually trust the government to genuinely look out for you.

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    • AnonyBob says:

      I’m not following you here, BM. What IS your point about well armed citizens? What do “defense” and “long term view” mean? Intel agencies weaponized and govt. corruption? I’m only seeing that come from Republicans. Don’t tell me you’re an InfoWars guy.

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      • Batman says:

        Perhaps someone else can explain it to you. I could not have been more clear.

        Btw; you actually believe no Independents, Libertarians, or Dems recognize our government corruption and weaponized Intel agencies?
        Or are you just trolling again…

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      • AnonyBob says:

        I’m serious here, BM, I don’t understand how you were using defense and long term view and would appreciate you spelling it out for dense little me. As for weaponized agencies and govt. corruption, we all see it. I just see it from the FBI screwing Hillary and the rank corruption of the White House and it’s cabinet and their appointees.

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      • Dave, not B says:

        Abob, you think the FBI was screwing Hillary? They were in so deep for her they had to do something to try to divert any suspicious onlookers. Fortunately we know that now and can go after all involved, thanks to Devin Nunes.

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  7. Sprocket says:

    It appears Broward County schools had a policy of not reporting to police, in the interests of disrupting the “school to prison pipeline”. This policy has widely been touted as a national model. I think we can all agree that the most important thing here is that the feels of little degenerates are not distrubed.

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  8. madisonexpat says:

    ABob, you didn’t see even a smidgen of corruption in the Obama IRS?

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  9. Batman says:

    Extrapolate into the future 25, 50, 75yrs. the clear trend of government corruption including Intel agencies bob-o.
    The VAST majority of gun owners want to be able to defensively protect hearth and home.
    Are you not a gun owner? Do you not perceive your weapon(s) as defensive protection?

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    • AnonyBob says:

      20-75 years in the future, even if you do buy into right wing conspiracy paranoia about “the government,” what is your firearm going to do for you? Are you going to rise up? (“Wolverines!”)
      Do you need an AR15 to protect your hearth & home bunker? Wouldn’t a deer rifle or shotgun suffice? And no, I no longer own any firearms since I gave up hunting in my younger days. (OMG! Call all the criminals and send them to Bob’s defenseless home!) Statistics show a home firearm would be much, much more likely to be used to harm someone I care about (suicide, accidental shootings, etc.) than be used to repell an intruder. I see no need to live in such fear. And I don’t fear the government, even when it’s taken over by corrupt right wing crazies (see: the present trend). Maybe I’d feel differently if I lived in a crime-saturated neighborhood. But I don’t live in one. Do you?

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  10. Batman says:

    You are what is known as a soft target bob-o.
    The only one talking about fear is you.

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    • old baldy says:

      bat:

      You can’t even remember what you wrote the day before:
      “The VAST majority of gun owners want to be able to defensively protect hearth and home.
      Are you not a gun owner? Do you not perceive your weapon(s) as defensive protection?”.

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  11. old baldy says:

    By what standard, bat? You made a claim that isn’t consistent with what you said the day before, and then blame you faux pas on someone else. Are you forgetful, of diminished mental capacity, or just willfully untruthful? Hint: There is a right answer.

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    • Batman says:

      Indeed there is a right answer, and it is that baldo is once again mistaken in his logic.
      You may want to stop now before all of your credibility evaporates.

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      • AnonyBob says:

        Sorry, BM, Baldy is right. Again. I said I see no need for such fear. You kept referring to defensive protection. That doesn’t sound like confidence, that sounds like fear.

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  12. old baldy says:

    Are these not your words??

    “The VAST majority of gun owners want to be able to defensively protect hearth and home.
    Are you not a gun owner? Do you not perceive your weapon(s) as defensive protection?”

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  13. Batman says:

    I will put this as simplistically as possible for the cognitively challenged.

    Let’s say I am asleep or watching TV up stairs and I hear the sound of shattered glass or a door being kicked in downstairs. I grab my firearm and confront two criminals.
    You are ASSUMING I must be afraid while I DEFEND my self, kids, and wife.

    Why are you having so much trouble with this?

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    • AnonyBob says:

      That was simplistic, all right. You feel you have to be armed because you fear this will happen.

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      • Batman says:

        You sure do seem obsessed with fear bob-o, as evidence by the fact you cannot stop yapping about it. Cease and desist with your projection.
        Perhaps you should assume another moniker: MrFearful

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  14. madisonexpat says:

    And foot pounds!

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  15. Batman says:

    That was both weak and unsatisfactory.
    You are beginning to lose your credibility just like bald-o.

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