47 responses to “Is the fever of Woke racism finally breaking?”
Bill Tyroler
Mayor Dave’s best post. I’m impressed by his persistence, and I wish him great success in making his party safe again for genuinely liberal values. I happen to think he’s pissing up a rope, but I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong.
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pANTIFArts
Kendi is a social justice “witch-doctor”, only now, finally being exposed. “Mayor Dave” is a rare commodity in your city, or, are there others, more intimidated than he is, by the strangle hold of “woke” dogma.
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Kooter
Progressives are the dumbest smart people I’ve ever met. So they’re just now coming around to the notion that “anti-racism” is a joke? Unbelievable!
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Rollie
“racism is the cause of all racial disparities”
Those who attack Kendi do a lot of dancing around this idea in their quest to both not say racist things and argue against the quote.
If racial disparities are not due to racism, the only other potential cause is the people themselves. If a people are themselves causing their own disparate outcomes, it logically follows that these people are themselves inferior.
Let the dance begin, please enlighten me. I believe racial disparities are caused by racism. Why do you believe racism is not the cause of all racial disparities?
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One Eye
“It logically follows that these people are themselves inferior”
Or… superior. Tune in to ABC tv at 7:15 tonight to see what I mean.
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Rollie
Exactly. I also don’t believe the color of a person’s skin makes them better athletes. The disparity in representation in sports is also caused by racism. It would have to be: there are only 2 logical explanations, and I reject one of them.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
“Let the dance begin”
Thought you’d never ask; from a Black ethicsalarms.com commentator:
“(H)ow can a country that oppresses an entire race of people, a group of people that share the same race as I, somehow not oppress me? Not oppress my father? My brother? My sister, uncle, niece, cousins?
“If there is something that makes us different, that makes Thomas Sowell, and Jason Riley, and Walter E. Williams, and Derrick Green (writer for Project 21, a leadership network for Black Conservatives), and many other blacks who are apparent immune to this different, then why is no time devoted to identifying what that secondary component is, that causes us to be excluded from this oppression?
“We spend so much time discussing intersectionality, but ignore the intersection where systemic racism meets some unknown, unspoken characteristic possessed by some of us, where we become immune to that aforementioned systemic racism.
“If that’s our goal, eradicating racism, why is no one asking those of us who aren’t finding racism around every street corner, what our secret is? Why are the cameras consistently shoved in the faces of the victims of our racist society, but never us?
“Shouldn’t there be a deeper dive, to identify other characteristics held by the group being infringed upon, rather than lazily basing it on a trait that’s also held by many people who haven’t been affected?
“But, to my original question…by what metric can one claim that America is oppressive towards blacks?
“Is it the ritualistic, indiscriminate killing of blacks by cops? B/c according to the Washington Post Police Killings tracker, in 2017, twice as many whites are killed by cops than blacks (164 to 326). And while, yes, I’m fully aware that means (since whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1) that blacks are MORE LIKELY to be killed, it also means that whites are killed in high enough number, that police killings cannot be solely about race.
“And 95% of police killings involve men, but there’s no outrage about that…so if we’re being intellectually honest and consistent, it cannot be about police killing rates relative to a particular demographic’s representation in the population, right? Unless we’re willing to admit that men are over represented in activities that bring them into violent contact with police…but that can’t be it, unless we’re ALSO willing to admit (I think you see where this leads)…
“Is it about black poverty rates? 46% of Black families with children that are headed by single Black women live in poverty, vs 8% of black families where the parents are married (which obviously trails statistics for while single mom headed households/married households), but as of 2014, only 29% of black adults were married, down from 61% in 1960. It stands to reason that a 2 income household leads to more financial stability, and is something that can be created regardless of how racist our society is (I mean, the black marriage rate was 80% in 1890, when the US was still in the immediate shadows of the Civil War and Reconstruction). Did the legacy of slavery just…skip a few generations? Is systemic racism somehow preventing us from marrying one another?
“Is it black property ownership? According to Jason Riley in his book ‘False Black Power’, ‘74.2 percent of black homeowners completely owned their residences as of 1900, versus only 68 percent of white families.’ And yet, according to Ebony, that number for blacks ‘was down to 41.2 percent in 2015’…some 115 years after a time when laws were in place specifically to prevent and deter black progress.
“So, what exactly is it about our modern society, with the number of social liberals who live in the US at an all-time highs (as bound by the length of time that Gallup has been polling for this statistic), and the number of (dirty, racist) social conservatives at all-time lows (also bound by the same Gallup limitations), that makes us MORE of a racist society that we were in 1960? or 1900? Or 1890, when discriminating against blacks was still codified by law?
“HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE OPPRESSIVE SOCIETY THAT EXISTS ALL AROUND ME, BUT REPEATEDLY FINDS A WAY TO STAY OUT OF MY PATH, TIME AND TIME AGAIN? (bolds/caps/italics mine)
Gotch does not answer the question “Why do you believe racism is not the cause of all racial disparities”, and gives us an anecdote. I told you there would be much dancing around the issue.
Just because individual persons might be successful despite racism does not mean racism has no effect on the population. Some Jews escaped the holocaust, but the holocaust still occurred.
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madisonexpat
Now Rollie puts forth a second idiotic either/or. Make a logical statement Rollie. Try.
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WashCoRepub
Yeah. Some people are superior to other people. Any and all colors included. Can you handle that shocking truth? Or do you need a therapy dog to pet to get you through this startling revelation? Of course, the new quasi-religion of ‘equity’ (not ‘equality’ anymore) wants everyone to have the same output result regardless of input, so this doesn’t shock me in the slightest.
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Rollie
Yes, some individual people can do particular things better than other individual people. That’s ok, even according to Marx. Note that actual leftists want people to get out what THEY put in and not profit from other peoples’ labor. But that’s beside the point…
If whole racial groups are, on average, “better” at certain things than others it begs the question of why. Are they inherently (genetically, culturally, etc.) better, or are there systemic factors that favor one group’s success over others? There is no third option I know of.
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Kooter
Your basic premise is that racism is the sloe cause. People are questioning that. These disparities are also caused by other issues such as breakdown of the family, drug and alcohol addiction, etc. A person can be judged on a myriad of things to label them as inferior, not just racism.
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Rollie
Perhaps the breakdown of the family and drug addiction are also impacted by racism. After all, I don’t believe the color of a person’s skin makes them more susceptible to family breakdown or addiction. So why are they, if indeed they are, more prevalent in particular racial groups?
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
“Your basic premise is that racism is the sloe cause. People are questioning that.”
And they should! Lefty’s big on Root Causes when they appear to remotely abut what Rollie, et al, so wishes they did.
Funniest thing; Lefty slams on the brakes when those Root Causes point toward behavioral and cultural pathology.
The Gotch
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Rollie
“Behavioral and cultural pathology” is literally the logic of white supremacy. You’re free to believe that non-white culture is pathological, but don’t be shocked when people point out that you’re promoting white supremacy.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
“don’t be shocked when people point out that you’re promoting white supremacy.”
Your absolutely absurd slobbering would be so roundly b!tch-slapped into the cheap seats by Dr. Thomas Sowell, the late Walter E. Williams, Jason Riley, Ward Connerly, Robert Woodson, Sr., Senator Tim Scott, Condi Rice, etc., etc., etc. that it wouldn’t even be funny .
Though The Gotch would surely get a chuckle…
Anywho, you’re on a Roll(ie), take it all the way to the beach.
What next; “b!tch-slapped” is RAYcist and promotes white supremacy?
The Gotch
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Rollie
Yes, there exist black people that believe white culture is superior to other cultures. It is interesting to once again see you fantasize about violence when people think differently than you.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
Rollie sides with skeezy Race Hustlers rather than learned, superbly credentialed Black Intellectuals?
Priceless!
“Yes, there exist black people that believe white culture is superior to other cultures.”
It is virtually impossible for you to miss the point by a wider margin.
Those, et al, The Gotch listed don’t think White Culture is superior, however, they do see the victimhoodie which you, et al, unquestioningly embrace as philosophically, intellectually, financially, and existentially ruinous; they couldn’t be more right.
The Race Hustlers are laughing their @$$e$ off at you; they’re by no means alone!
Heh! That’s actually one thing The Gotch & them see eye-to-eye on; something upon which to build…?
The Gotch
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Kooter
Rollieland: where logic goes to die.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
“Rollieland: where logic goes to die.”
Bravo IndigoNovember Golf Oscar!
Rollie panics when anyone refuses to swallow whole his LaLaLoopyLoonyLeftyLand Illogic, then drifts into hysterically meaningless deflection.
#PitiablyPathetic!
The Gotch
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Rollie
It’s not circular. Either a particular race is inherently inferior, or there are systemic factors that are causing disparities in outcomes. I believe the latter, and my position is that there is not a third potential reason
The systemic factor is the culture of victimization, grievance, and dependency.
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One Eye
You do realize that both of those things can be true right?
Seems like your position is one race is never inherently inferior to another is that correct?
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
OE, seems you’re more adept at locating previous posts, and would be one to which you responded not too long ago.
After a particularly…um…disjointed slobbering which The Gotch shared with his Dear activist Sister, she suggested the author (the inimitable Rollie) “pound course sand” which Rollie quickly labeled as fomenting violence.
The Gotch
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One Eye
What is your sister an activist about?
I don’t mind activists per se. I do mind ideologues.
I don’t see why it’s so hard to seek the truth even when the truth may be riddled with ambiguity.
This notion of “rejecting” things drives me nuts. Haven’t these people ever changed their minds about something? He’ll even DB was (allegedly) a long haired liberal back in the day.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
LGBT, but not fringe; no loon, she.
“I don’t see why it’s so hard to seek the truth even when the truth may be riddled with ambiguity.”
Whaddya bet Rollie didn’t read any of the citations charitably supplied in the October 9, 2023 at 5:37 pm comment above; too much Inconvenient Truth…?
The Gotch
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Rollie
Sure, both could be true. But I don’t personally believe that. I don’t believe that one race is ever inherently inferior to another. There are certainly traits influenced by the environment that via evolution will result in particular unique characteristics (obviously – you can tell a native Chinese person from a native American visually). But given similar environments, where the only difference is race, I don’t believe there would be significant differences in average outcomes.
There would be purely physical traits still differing (hair, skin, height, etc.) but nothing like being more likely to be poor, less likely to become a CEO, more likely to have a child die in birth, more likely to commit crime, etc. I believe racism causes those disparities.
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old baldy
Hmmmm, gootchie is threatening minorities just like trump
has been been all week.
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rvtl1947hotmailcom
goochie talks about “bitch-slapped”. That’s what the Raiders just did to the Puckers. 17-13.
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Kooter
Rollie, your “all or none thinking” is difficult to work with. I believe you’re one of the biggest racists on this blog, as you view everything through a racial lens. No mention of character or judgment or Merit. I’ll bet you think those are symptoms of of systemic racism!
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Rollie
Please suggest another logical explanation for what we see. You say I should consider “character or judgment or merit”.
I don’t believe one race has superior character or judgment or merit compared to another. But if they did, you’re right – it would explain the difference in outcomes. That is literally the logic of white supremacy, and I disagree with that premise.
You might say: I’m not talking about racial groups, I’m talking about individual decision making. But if the bell curve that results from all those individuals making their own decisions is shifted significantly to the left, that is a description and representation of the group, and it has to have some sort of cause. It could be their own damn fault (there’s something wrong with them), or it could be external factors (there’s something wrong with society). Or what else?
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Kooter
I cannot justify continuing to reason with you as you have no reason in you. Lets try something concrete: drop the Gameboy, back out of your parents’ basement and look around: We see plenty of people of color, women and transgender people who are successful, hardly the victims of racism. Hell, my boss is a woman! We’ve had a black president (twice!), a black VP, the list goes on. Square that with your systemic racism narrative.
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Rollie
“Square that with your systemic racism narrative”
A bell curve is the concept which squares your observations with systemic racism.
I presented a simple logical case that nobody here could bring themselves to square themselves with:
A = racial disparities
X = extrinsic racism
Y = intrinsic racial inferiority
A is observed. The only explanation for A is X or Y. Conservatives reject X, but at the same time will not claim they believe Y, and fail to propose a reasonable third explanation.
Who has no reason? Like I said, this is a silly dance that conservatives engage in.
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madisonexpat
Rollie gives sophistry a bad name.
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Rollie
So where am I wrong?
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Mordecai The Red
“So where am I wrong?”
In your mistaken belief that innate abilities and disabilities as an aggregate constitute inferiority or superiority for a given race. No sane person would argue that the two genders think alike or have the same innate abilities, and they wouldn’t make a superiority argument over those facts either. Is it so far-fetched to suggest that the same could be true for different races?
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Kooter
Perfect, another either/or, black and white answer.
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Rollie
It doesn’t have to be either/or. You could say something like “I think it’s 25%X and 75%Y”.
Or “I think a better explanation is Z. Here’s why, and how it differs from X and Y.” You gave that one a try, but ended up proposing a Z that = Y.
I personally think it’s 100% X, and I’ve explained why. I also contend there does not exist a Z that is not already a combination of X and Y (Z = aX + bY). Nobody has disproven that statement.
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Kooter
You remind me of the statistics Professor who was terrified of flying for fear of a bomb being on the plane. He calculated the odds of that and they were quite small. He then calculated the odds for two people carrying a bomb on the same plane and the odds were astronomically small so he started carrying a bomb on the plane himself. Your argument is circular and illogical. As I’ve stated many times there are many reasons for “inferior people” including the culture of victimization, low expectations, intellectual sloth, inability to take personal responsibility, violent resolution of conflicts, etc. To just stamp everything as racial makes you a racist!
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
Brava!
The Gotch
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Rollie
So you believe that the problem is within the people themselves (Y). That’s a position a lot of people share. Obviously Gotch does given the bravo.
It’s interesting when somebody like yourself – who thinks higher than normal proportions of people of color inherently have: “a culture of victimization, low expectations, intellectual sloth, inability to take personal responsibility, violent resolution of conflicts, etc.” calls me a racist.
It’s almost as if words like “racist”, “circular” and “illogical” no longer have meanings at all, and can be whimsically used however a person feels like it.
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Cornelius_Gotchberg
The Gotch has always sided with the Content Of Their Character milieu; always will.
He also suspects you didn’t click on any of the citations he offered up…(provided by EA commenter Chris Bentley)…sheesh four (4) days ago already; your call, though, am I right?
Anywho, courtesy of the talented Dr. Thomas Sowell:
People of color do not inherently have those characteristics. It has been encultured in them by people with your illogic. You are the victims of your own making.
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47 responses to “Is the fever of Woke racism finally breaking?”
Mayor Dave’s best post. I’m impressed by his persistence, and I wish him great success in making his party safe again for genuinely liberal values. I happen to think he’s pissing up a rope, but I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong.
Kendi is a social justice “witch-doctor”, only now, finally being exposed. “Mayor Dave” is a rare commodity in your city, or, are there others, more intimidated than he is, by the strangle hold of “woke” dogma.
Progressives are the dumbest smart people I’ve ever met. So they’re just now coming around to the notion that “anti-racism” is a joke? Unbelievable!
“racism is the cause of all racial disparities”
Those who attack Kendi do a lot of dancing around this idea in their quest to both not say racist things and argue against the quote.
If racial disparities are not due to racism, the only other potential cause is the people themselves. If a people are themselves causing their own disparate outcomes, it logically follows that these people are themselves inferior.
Let the dance begin, please enlighten me. I believe racial disparities are caused by racism. Why do you believe racism is not the cause of all racial disparities?
“It logically follows that these people are themselves inferior”
Or… superior. Tune in to ABC tv at 7:15 tonight to see what I mean.
Exactly. I also don’t believe the color of a person’s skin makes them better athletes. The disparity in representation in sports is also caused by racism. It would have to be: there are only 2 logical explanations, and I reject one of them.
“Let the dance begin”
Thought you’d never ask; from a Black ethicsalarms.com commentator:
“(H)ow can a country that oppresses an entire race of people, a group of people that share the same race as I, somehow not oppress me? Not oppress my father? My brother? My sister, uncle, niece, cousins?
“If there is something that makes us different, that makes Thomas Sowell, and Jason Riley, and Walter E. Williams, and Derrick Green (writer for Project 21, a leadership network for Black Conservatives), and many other blacks who are apparent immune to this different, then why is no time devoted to identifying what that secondary component is, that causes us to be excluded from this oppression?
“We spend so much time discussing intersectionality, but ignore the intersection where systemic racism meets some unknown, unspoken characteristic possessed by some of us, where we become immune to that aforementioned systemic racism.
“If that’s our goal, eradicating racism, why is no one asking those of us who aren’t finding racism around every street corner, what our secret is? Why are the cameras consistently shoved in the faces of the victims of our racist society, but never us?
“Shouldn’t there be a deeper dive, to identify other characteristics held by the group being infringed upon, rather than lazily basing it on a trait that’s also held by many people who haven’t been affected?
“But, to my original question…by what metric can one claim that America is oppressive towards blacks?
“Is it the ritualistic, indiscriminate killing of blacks by cops? B/c according to the Washington Post Police Killings tracker, in 2017, twice as many whites are killed by cops than blacks (164 to 326). And while, yes, I’m fully aware that means (since whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1) that blacks are MORE LIKELY to be killed, it also means that whites are killed in high enough number, that police killings cannot be solely about race.
“And 95% of police killings involve men, but there’s no outrage about that…so if we’re being intellectually honest and consistent, it cannot be about police killing rates relative to a particular demographic’s representation in the population, right? Unless we’re willing to admit that men are over represented in activities that bring them into violent contact with police…but that can’t be it, unless we’re ALSO willing to admit (I think you see where this leads)…
“Is it about black poverty rates? 46% of Black families with children that are headed by single Black women live in poverty, vs 8% of black families where the parents are married (which obviously trails statistics for while single mom headed households/married households), but as of 2014, only 29% of black adults were married, down from 61% in 1960. It stands to reason that a 2 income household leads to more financial stability, and is something that can be created regardless of how racist our society is (I mean, the black marriage rate was 80% in 1890, when the US was still in the immediate shadows of the Civil War and Reconstruction). Did the legacy of slavery just…skip a few generations? Is systemic racism somehow preventing us from marrying one another?
“Is it black property ownership? According to Jason Riley in his book ‘False Black Power’, ‘74.2 percent of black homeowners completely owned their residences as of 1900, versus only 68 percent of white families.’ And yet, according to Ebony, that number for blacks ‘was down to 41.2 percent in 2015’…some 115 years after a time when laws were in place specifically to prevent and deter black progress.
“So, what exactly is it about our modern society, with the number of social liberals who live in the US at an all-time highs (as bound by the length of time that Gallup has been polling for this statistic), and the number of (dirty, racist) social conservatives at all-time lows (also bound by the same Gallup limitations), that makes us MORE of a racist society that we were in 1960? or 1900? Or 1890, when discriminating against blacks was still codified by law?
“HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE OPPRESSIVE SOCIETY THAT EXISTS ALL AROUND ME, BUT REPEATEDLY FINDS A WAY TO STAY OUT OF MY PATH, TIME AND TIME AGAIN? (bolds/caps/italics mine)
citations:
http://blackdemographics.com/households/poverty/
http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/why-has-marriage-declined-among-black-americans
The Gotch
More citations:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/book-excerpt-jason-rileys-false-black-power/story?id=48521842
http://www.ebony.com/news-views/black-homeownership-decline#axzz4tiw3Acej
And one more, from bedrock Conservative HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/22/socially-liberal-poll_n_7422440.html
Et tu, HuffPo…?
Gotch does not answer the question “Why do you believe racism is not the cause of all racial disparities”, and gives us an anecdote. I told you there would be much dancing around the issue.
Just because individual persons might be successful despite racism does not mean racism has no effect on the population. Some Jews escaped the holocaust, but the holocaust still occurred.
Now Rollie puts forth a second idiotic either/or. Make a logical statement Rollie. Try.
Yeah. Some people are superior to other people. Any and all colors included. Can you handle that shocking truth? Or do you need a therapy dog to pet to get you through this startling revelation? Of course, the new quasi-religion of ‘equity’ (not ‘equality’ anymore) wants everyone to have the same output result regardless of input, so this doesn’t shock me in the slightest.
Yes, some individual people can do particular things better than other individual people. That’s ok, even according to Marx. Note that actual leftists want people to get out what THEY put in and not profit from other peoples’ labor. But that’s beside the point…
If whole racial groups are, on average, “better” at certain things than others it begs the question of why. Are they inherently (genetically, culturally, etc.) better, or are there systemic factors that favor one group’s success over others? There is no third option I know of.
Your basic premise is that racism is the sloe cause. People are questioning that. These disparities are also caused by other issues such as breakdown of the family, drug and alcohol addiction, etc. A person can be judged on a myriad of things to label them as inferior, not just racism.
Perhaps the breakdown of the family and drug addiction are also impacted by racism. After all, I don’t believe the color of a person’s skin makes them more susceptible to family breakdown or addiction. So why are they, if indeed they are, more prevalent in particular racial groups?
“Your basic premise is that racism is the sloe cause. People are questioning that.”
And they should! Lefty’s big on Root Causes when they appear to remotely abut what Rollie, et al, so wishes they did.
Funniest thing; Lefty slams on the brakes when those Root Causes point toward behavioral and cultural pathology.
The Gotch
“Behavioral and cultural pathology” is literally the logic of white supremacy. You’re free to believe that non-white culture is pathological, but don’t be shocked when people point out that you’re promoting white supremacy.
“don’t be shocked when people point out that you’re promoting white supremacy.”
Your absolutely absurd slobbering would be so roundly b!tch-slapped into the cheap seats by Dr. Thomas Sowell, the late Walter E. Williams, Jason Riley, Ward Connerly, Robert Woodson, Sr., Senator Tim Scott, Condi Rice, etc., etc., etc. that it wouldn’t even be funny .
Though The Gotch would surely get a chuckle…
Anywho, you’re on a Roll(ie), take it all the way to the beach.
What next; “b!tch-slapped” is RAYcist and promotes white supremacy?
The Gotch
Yes, there exist black people that believe white culture is superior to other cultures. It is interesting to once again see you fantasize about violence when people think differently than you.
Rollie sides with skeezy Race Hustlers rather than learned, superbly credentialed Black Intellectuals?
Priceless!
“Yes, there exist black people that believe white culture is superior to other cultures.”
It is virtually impossible for you to miss the point by a wider margin.
Those, et al, The Gotch listed don’t think White Culture is superior, however, they do see the victimhoodie which you, et al, unquestioningly embrace as philosophically, intellectually, financially, and existentially ruinous; they couldn’t be more right.
The Race Hustlers are laughing their @$$e$ off at you; they’re by no means alone!
Heh! That’s actually one thing The Gotch & them see eye-to-eye on; something upon which to build…?
The Gotch
Rollieland: where logic goes to die.
“Rollieland: where logic goes to die.”
Bravo IndigoNovember Golf Oscar!
Rollie panics when anyone refuses to swallow whole his LaLaLoopyLoonyLeftyLand Illogic, then drifts into hysterically meaningless deflection.
#PitiablyPathetic!
The Gotch
It’s not circular. Either a particular race is inherently inferior, or there are systemic factors that are causing disparities in outcomes. I believe the latter, and my position is that there is not a third potential reason
The systemic factor is the culture of victimization, grievance, and dependency.
You do realize that both of those things can be true right?
Seems like your position is one race is never inherently inferior to another is that correct?
OE, seems you’re more adept at locating previous posts, and would be one to which you responded not too long ago.
After a particularly…um…disjointed slobbering which The Gotch shared with his Dear activist Sister, she suggested the author (the inimitable Rollie) “pound course sand” which Rollie quickly labeled as fomenting violence.
The Gotch
What is your sister an activist about?
I don’t mind activists per se. I do mind ideologues.
I don’t see why it’s so hard to seek the truth even when the truth may be riddled with ambiguity.
This notion of “rejecting” things drives me nuts. Haven’t these people ever changed their minds about something? He’ll even DB was (allegedly) a long haired liberal back in the day.
LGBT, but not fringe; no loon, she.
“I don’t see why it’s so hard to seek the truth even when the truth may be riddled with ambiguity.”
Possibly of interest: When The Truth Wears Off
Whaddya bet Rollie didn’t read any of the citations charitably supplied in the October 9, 2023 at 5:37 pm comment above; too much Inconvenient Truth…?
The Gotch
Sure, both could be true. But I don’t personally believe that. I don’t believe that one race is ever inherently inferior to another. There are certainly traits influenced by the environment that via evolution will result in particular unique characteristics (obviously – you can tell a native Chinese person from a native American visually). But given similar environments, where the only difference is race, I don’t believe there would be significant differences in average outcomes.
There would be purely physical traits still differing (hair, skin, height, etc.) but nothing like being more likely to be poor, less likely to become a CEO, more likely to have a child die in birth, more likely to commit crime, etc. I believe racism causes those disparities.
Hmmmm, gootchie is threatening minorities just like trump
has been been all week.
goochie talks about “bitch-slapped”. That’s what the Raiders just did to the Puckers. 17-13.
Rollie, your “all or none thinking” is difficult to work with. I believe you’re one of the biggest racists on this blog, as you view everything through a racial lens. No mention of character or judgment or Merit. I’ll bet you think those are symptoms of of systemic racism!
Please suggest another logical explanation for what we see. You say I should consider “character or judgment or merit”.
I don’t believe one race has superior character or judgment or merit compared to another. But if they did, you’re right – it would explain the difference in outcomes. That is literally the logic of white supremacy, and I disagree with that premise.
You might say: I’m not talking about racial groups, I’m talking about individual decision making. But if the bell curve that results from all those individuals making their own decisions is shifted significantly to the left, that is a description and representation of the group, and it has to have some sort of cause. It could be their own damn fault (there’s something wrong with them), or it could be external factors (there’s something wrong with society). Or what else?
I cannot justify continuing to reason with you as you have no reason in you. Lets try something concrete: drop the Gameboy, back out of your parents’ basement and look around: We see plenty of people of color, women and transgender people who are successful, hardly the victims of racism. Hell, my boss is a woman! We’ve had a black president (twice!), a black VP, the list goes on. Square that with your systemic racism narrative.
“Square that with your systemic racism narrative”
A bell curve is the concept which squares your observations with systemic racism.
I presented a simple logical case that nobody here could bring themselves to square themselves with:
A = racial disparities
X = extrinsic racism
Y = intrinsic racial inferiority
A is observed. The only explanation for A is X or Y. Conservatives reject X, but at the same time will not claim they believe Y, and fail to propose a reasonable third explanation.
Who has no reason? Like I said, this is a silly dance that conservatives engage in.
Rollie gives sophistry a bad name.
So where am I wrong?
“So where am I wrong?”
In your mistaken belief that innate abilities and disabilities as an aggregate constitute inferiority or superiority for a given race. No sane person would argue that the two genders think alike or have the same innate abilities, and they wouldn’t make a superiority argument over those facts either. Is it so far-fetched to suggest that the same could be true for different races?
Perfect, another either/or, black and white answer.
It doesn’t have to be either/or. You could say something like “I think it’s 25%X and 75%Y”.
Or “I think a better explanation is Z. Here’s why, and how it differs from X and Y.” You gave that one a try, but ended up proposing a Z that = Y.
I personally think it’s 100% X, and I’ve explained why. I also contend there does not exist a Z that is not already a combination of X and Y (Z = aX + bY). Nobody has disproven that statement.
You remind me of the statistics Professor who was terrified of flying for fear of a bomb being on the plane. He calculated the odds of that and they were quite small. He then calculated the odds for two people carrying a bomb on the same plane and the odds were astronomically small so he started carrying a bomb on the plane himself. Your argument is circular and illogical. As I’ve stated many times there are many reasons for “inferior people” including the culture of victimization, low expectations, intellectual sloth, inability to take personal responsibility, violent resolution of conflicts, etc. To just stamp everything as racial makes you a racist!
Brava!
The Gotch
So you believe that the problem is within the people themselves (Y). That’s a position a lot of people share. Obviously Gotch does given the bravo.
It’s interesting when somebody like yourself – who thinks higher than normal proportions of people of color inherently have: “a culture of victimization, low expectations, intellectual sloth, inability to take personal responsibility, violent resolution of conflicts, etc.” calls me a racist.
It’s almost as if words like “racist”, “circular” and “illogical” no longer have meanings at all, and can be whimsically used however a person feels like it.
The Gotch has always sided with the Content Of Their Character milieu; always will.
He also suspects you didn’t click on any of the citations he offered up…(provided by EA commenter Chris Bentley)…sheesh four (4) days ago already; your call, though, am I right?
Anywho, courtesy of the talented Dr. Thomas Sowell:
Seductive Beliefs I and
Seductive Beliefs II
In a perfect world, Sowell would have a FAR wider audience; any idea why not?
Any idea what Chris Bentley’d say?
The Gotch
Ugh! Broken links; howse ’bout Mascot Politics.
Better…?
The Gotch
Is this RAYcist (asking for a friend):
PLEASE STOP HELPING US: How Liberals Make It Harder For Blacks To Succeed
The Gotch
People of color do not inherently have those characteristics. It has been encultured in them by people with your illogic. You are the victims of your own making.