Smell the incense!
Blaska’s response to objections over Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health posted by his friendly liberal acquaintances.
This poor sinner attended Catholic grade school (where he was an unsuccessful altar boy) and weekly Chi Rho religious classes outside of Sun Prairie public high school. The Lovely Lisa is a graduate of Pius XI high school in Milwaukee. (The girls’ sport teams were called the Lady Popes! 🤪)
Neither of us recall ever hearing the word “abortion” during our religious education. It went without saying, apparently. So no, I don’t need Jesus to append abortion to his Sermon on the Mount. My challenge to you is to quote where Jesus condemns murder (or insider stock trading, for that matter). The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament, where Thou Shalt Not Kill is enumerated among the first “10 amendments,” but builds upon it.
Both Testaments celebrate childbirth, from Abraham and the supposedly barren Sarah (at age 90!) to the angel Gabriel’s Annunciation to Mary the Virgin. If you want to believe Jesus ignored, tolerated, or sanctified abortion, have at it!
As for imposing my “personal views,” those are the only ones I have! (Barry Goldwater wrote Conscience of a Conservative, proving we do have one! I personally believe storming the Capitol to prevent the orderly transfer of power is wrong but that’s just me! 🤪) Did Justice Blackmun impose HIS personal views, given that the Constitution — like Jesus — is silent on the subject? He found the right in the “penumbra” of the Constitution.* (Talk about virgin birth!) (* formulated by Justice Douglas in Griswold 1965.)
Reaffirming Roe in Planned Parenthood v Casey 1992, the court implored “the contending sides” in the controversy “to end their national division.” Obviously, that entreaty failed; 26 states petitioned the court in Dobbs to overturn Roe. That is the major difference between abortion and same-sex marriage, miscegenation, and contraception, [the last three between consenting adults]. After 49 years, Roe has not been well tolerated.
Even Bill Clinton wanted abortion to be legal, safe, and rare. To which Bill Buckley rejoined, “Why rare?” (We don’t say that about tonsillectomies.)
We have a poll up asking if Dobbs will hurt Republicans come November. I believe it will. At some point, it sez here, Wisconsin will compromise with something akin to Mississippi’s law. How one enforces 15 weeks or 18 etc., I don’t know. It would help if the City of Madison were not so hostile to those who choose life. (Read & weep.)
Blaska’s 1st Bottom Line: The Supreme Court has NOT outlawed abortion! It put the matter to the people!
[Self-professed atheist friend], your treatise arrived as the magic genies were delivering my response to [Friend #1]. I will only say that you impose an unconstitutional religious test on the justices. If you blame [their Catholic] religion; you may as well fault morality, conscience, and values. You demand that the Justices repudiate all — in essence, become content-free. [For, what is religion?]
You may believe Blaska thinks abortion a grievous wrong because he is/was Catholic. But it is possible to reverse your equation: that one is Catholic because he finds abortion abhorrent. [Just as you are a Democrat because you are pro-abortion.] In any event, I trace my own position to the previously recounted episode in college where the Lovely Lisa, having returned from accompanying a friend who aborted, exclaimed: “David, it was a BABY” (Not a toe nail or “a collection of cells,” as you aver.) Trying to tease out when does life begin, I had to conclude: at the beginning. (Must I really defend innocent life in the womb from murderers like Stalin and Pol Pot?)
Blaska’s 2nd Bottom Line: And yes, I like my holy ghosts along with an occasional whiff of incense! Our cathedrals are so much prettier, too.
Your Catholicism doesn’t supply the same Cafeteria Options as that of SanFranNan, DementiJoKe, et al?
So much to say, so little time.
* You made me giggle when you cited Barry Goldwater. His conscience was very clear on this issue: “Abortion is not something the Republican Party should call for the abolition of, by legal means or by any other means.”
* When in need of wisdom, I always read Milton Friedman, who often-times debated this issue with Ronald Reagan. “I personally believe that abortion is a very complicated issue, and on issues of such personal belief, government shouldn’t be involved. Reagan believes very differently, and it’s clearly a matter of personal conscience.”
* You realize that if you were in Texas and you gave your said girlfriend 1 dollar for gas money you could be sued for “aiding and abetting” by any private citizen. The plaintiff would receive at least $10,000 and be reimbursed for legal fees.
* Bishop Lori was interviewed this weekend and said the church would be prepared to help pregnant mothers. The church has a bad track record with providing services to children. The number of Catholic K-12 schools in the United States is down to 6,000, down from more than 11,000 in 1970. Overall enrollment has plummeted from more than 5 million in the 1960s to about 1.7 million now. In addition, the church has paid out more than $3 billion in abuse settlements.
* Because those of the Jewish faith have no problems justifying abortion, let me impose your reasoning on my Hebrew brothers and sisters: You may believe Jews think abortion is a mother’s right because he/she is Jewish. But it is possible to reverse your equation: that one is Jewish because he/she finds abortion justifiable.
Fair enough. Milton Friedman applied his personal beliefs. Barry Goldwater appealed to conscience. His, yours, and mine differ. The Catholic church has a better record providing services to children than Freedom From Religion. Yes, denounce the Catholic Church for their sins; at least they are not killing children. As I’ve said elsewhere, I do believe the legislative process will work out a compromise.
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“Freedom from Religion” Translation: Freedom to desperately try to fill that God-shaped void in your life with anything but God. Has anyone ever seen a sadder human being than Annie Laurie Gaylor?
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yes; the guy who shot and killed a Subway worker over too much mayo. wounded another . All in front of a 5 year old kid. But everyone needs a gun. Praise the Lord.
I officially became a Roman Catholic last Easter, having been raised a Lutheran and, after that, having lived for many decades in a state of suspended religious animation–i.e., not much of anything. The reason I chose to re-enter the Christian religion through the door labeled “Catholics” is because that denomination, unlike most Protestants, hasn’t morphed into a social service organization with hymns. (The Baptist church on the near west side sporting a BLM flag, a gay pride flag, and Ukrainian flag–with nary a cross insight–epitomizes that trend.) Last Sunday’s homily placed abortion where it belongs: smack in the middle of our culture’s glorification of the individual and his/her/its self-constructed “identity”–a modern obsession more sacred than the Holy Trinity. Wish they hadn’t ditched the Latin Mass but, you’re right, our cathedrals are really pretty.
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I must look at this topic from the point of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution which reads: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The Constitution makes no reference to abortion so therefore it is a state matter to regulate it just as it is a state matter to regulate the death penalty.
Let’s just say that some years ago the Supreme Court had handed down a decision to make the death penalty mandatory in all 50 states.
Would these same people argue that the Supreme Court decision to make the death penalty mandatory in all 50 states is in violation of the 10th Amendment? I bet they would.
In my mind the real reason that the demoncratic party wants abortion to keep going is that the demoncratic party needs the abortion business to do well so that they can continue to contribute great sums of money to the demoncrats.
This from The Hill: “Planned Parenthood will spend $45 million on the 2020 elections, the nonprofit’s biggest electoral expenditure in its history, according to CBS News.”
That’s a lot of money.
As for me, I was born and raised Catholic. I believe every soul was created in the image and likeness of God and every soul was sent here on earth to do and be the unique soul it was meant by Him to be. To destroy such a soul is to spit in the face of God.
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So why are the 3 gopers’ running for gov. standing on a Wis law put on the books in 1849? 173 years? Praise the Lord.
Glad you asked.
John Adams once said: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
We have been loosing our religion for quite some time now. We are a people who no longer want to do the will of God as in “Thy will be done”. We want it to be a people who say, “My will be done”.
With a woman deciding to abort her own child, with a boy demanding to be a girl, having his genitalia removed to become one, the rise of drug addiction, the rate of suicides going up, the number of people stealing cars and going off for joy rides at high speed never mind the possibility of killing someone, mass murders in public places, our own presidents son, Hunter, being the poster child for the new man.
All I can say is:
We have truly created a society of narcissists.
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can you say American Taliban?
Even more antiquated: a certain document dating from 1789! Can the class guess what it is called? Anyone?
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PICK ME PICK ME>>>>>Bill of Rights. Am I right? Did I win the car?
Hi David – Being a member of the Blaska clan, I am inherently Catholic down to our ancestor building the pews in the St. Wenceslaus Church on the island. The topic of pro-life is not a Catholic issue only, but there are a few religious groups that have their own pro-life sect. Knock me over with a feather when I discovered this group:
I also know of pro-life movement from one of my Baptists friends.
Love Candace Owens YouTube on Planned Parenthood and the genocide of black people.
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