Did Kyle Rittenhouse shoot in self-defense?

From National Review:

[Daily Caller reporter Richard] McGinnis saw a male (Joseph] Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. … there were other people very quickly … moving towards the defendant. … the defendant [Rittenhouse] was trying to evade these individuals.

The first video starts with people already chasing Rittenhouse, one of whom throws something at him. One person even fires a handgun in the air — and another, Rosenbaum, charges at Rittenhouse, who shoots him. After that, there are more shots from an unknown source, and Rittenhouse calls a friend on his phone and leaves.

But again he’s pursued, with some protesters urging others to join in, and this time he falls down. Several people move in on him, and he takes shots at three, hitting two. One is holding a handgun and survives a shot to the arm; the other has a skateboard and dies. Again there are additional mysterious gunshots after the fact.

Quite typically for a U.S. state, Wisconsin allows civilian use of deadly force when one “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.”

Source: Kyle Rittenhouse & Self-Defense Claims | National Review

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43 Responses to Did Kyle Rittenhouse shoot in self-defense?

  1. nathanemarks says:

    If I were in Kyle’s shoes — you bet I would have feared for my life. I look forward to more evidence, but I lean toward this being self-defense.

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  2. MarkK says:

    Why can anyone open carry a weapon like that? I’m curious as to how the KPD ir any law enforcement did not or could not take action on all of those who were doing open carry. I am not familiar with our WI open carry laws. I know we have concealed carry laws ….

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  3. Based on what I’ve seen, yes he acted in self defense.

    He has two other problems outside that; an unsupervised minor in possession of a firearm, and leaving the State after the shooting.

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  4. SWS says:

    He probably won’t be charged with Murder 1, but he will almost certainly be charged and convicted of something. He never should have been there: he had no military or police training that I know of, and almost certainly had no idea what to do if things got ugly. He’s ruined his own life, and killed two people— and for what? Kyle is not a hero, just a pudgy social misfit who should have stayed home and watched the riots on television. SMH.

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    • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

      “Kyle is not a hero.

      Fair point, and agreed; anyone making him out as one should be given a WIDE berth…just like anyone that did the same by ennobling Valor Thief Nathan Phillips as Lefty’s Flavor Of The Month oppressed MINORITY.

      But think….were he a pudgy social misfit Lefty & capped a coupla Whitey Supremacists, or better yet, LEOs for, you know, like, The Cause; same thing?

      The Gotch

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    • SWS wrote, “Kyle is not a hero”

      True, but Kyle is also not a coward. Let’s face it, Kyle has a lot more courage that a lot of other people to go face down the irrational rioters.

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      • richard lesiak says:

        or was it the false courage some people get when they pick up a great big gun?

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        • richard lesiak wrote, “or was it the false courage some people get when they pick up a great big gun?”

          So you think people gain false courage when people pick up a rifle? Spoken like an ignorant anti-gun advocate.

          To pick up a firearm and show up at one of these riots one must fully understand the ramifications of doing so. You are putting a bulls eye target on yourself because it’s quite likely the rioters won’t take kindly to you protecting a business that they want to destroy – we’ve seen it in nearly every riot that they attack the ones protecting businesses no matter who they are. You are assuming a huge responsibility that if something happens you might actually have to use that firearm in defense of your life or someone else’s life. You have to understand that if you use that firearm against another human being that you will carry the results of that personal choice with you for the rest of your life.

          It take tremendous courage up front to choose to show up in opposition to an angry group of protesters that have shown turns into a morally bankrupt mob hell bent on destruction and assaults then you add in the fact that you’re carrying lethal force only adds to the level of courage to take this kind of stand against an immoral mob.

          No Richard, you’ve got it all wrong. Your smear shows utter ignorance.

          You’re a damned ignorant fool!

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          Heh! What Steve said!!!!!

          The Gotch

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        • richard lesiak says:

          That way some rant stevie. You assume I’m anti-gun. Nope; but I am for gun laws. And after this cluster f#$k a lot more people are too. What business was he defending? 17, out of state, illegal gun, walks into a riot. IDIOT. Now it’s just a matter of how many years he gets and who he will throw under the bus to save himself. Where’s your NRA statements; oh yeah, Wayne and his buddies stole all the money and now they are broke. I see gotch gave you his normal knee-JERK posting.

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        • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

          Heh! What Steve said….2.0!!!!!

          The Gotch

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    • pANTIFArts says:

      Well be prepared to give me a WIDE berth. (sorry) Kyle Rittenhouse and his group (from all that we know) went there to make a stand. They didn’t interfere with the protests, they didn’t seek any confrontations, they simply said ” You shall not destroy this business”. This is not “Proud Boys” or “Patriot Prayer” looking to engage protesters, these are AMERICANS making a stand against the greatest threat our nation has faced since the Civil War. MAKING A STAND is the most American “thing” there is. Lexington and Concord, Shiloh and Antietam,…… (cue the music). Maybe the problem is TO MANY people just “staying home, and watching the riots on television”. This “pudgy social misfit” repeatedly stepped away from his group to offer first-aid to protesters, and, according to the article, was talking to Police when he was told he could not rejoin his group. This left this young man alone, vastly outnumbered, and several blocks away from friendly lines in Wisconsin’s version of Mogadishu. They would have beaten him to death and taken his weapon, there IS no doubt about that. Making a stand is dangerous, most are afraid to do it. But in the near future I fear many of us will be called on to protect this nation from the “peaceful” rioters. Information is limited, the situation is fluid, maybe I’ll have to eat my words, but I said it.

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  5. jimydandy says:

    Kenosha Kid took out a couple of sexual misfits. Hero in my book. I’d be on the jury in a heart beat!

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  6. dad29 says:

    Self-defense on all counts. He will be guilty of underage rifle-holding and leaving the State. But the sentiment is with him and sentencing will be……….interesting.

    This DOES raise the question: when LE is incapable, or ordered to ‘stand down’, should citizens simply watch teeeeeveeee and let it all burn?

    Be sure to explain your answer.

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  7. Bill says:

    The unstated issue is that the Governor Evers DID NOT call in the National Guard in sufficient numbers that were required to stop the riots and destruction despite the FACT that the local authorities begged him to give them that kind of support! The violence only stopped after Congressman Bryan Steil called President Trump and asked him to help out by sending federal authorities to augment the local police and the 250 National Guard troops that the governor sent. This never would have happened if the governor had SOME BALLS and showed real leadership on the first night of rioting by sending in the National Guard in sufficient numbers to stop the violence.

    But this is to be expected by governor MILK TOAST! After all, if it is okay to have the State Capitol defaced, windows smashed in, statutes thrown into the lake, State Senators assaulted, stores looted, Police Officers assaulted, innocent people assaulted and the City County building fire bombed, all in your own back yard while you as governor did NOTHING to stop it even while knowing in advance it was going to happen; well why would anyone think he would give a crap about Kenosha!

    It all goes to show how little he thinks of WE the People, who are in his mind, the Little People!

    Just shut up and pay your taxes and it will all be okay. That is what the Dem’s like Evers want all of us to believe.

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    • SWS says:

      I agree. A weak, Satya-esque response only emboldens these protesters. Maybe young Kyle wouldn’t have felt that he was needed in Kenosha, had the authorities been willing and able to restore order.

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  8. Leo says:

    If the kid is indicted, his mom (who gave him and his guns a ride to Kenosha) should also
    be indicted as ab accessory to murder.

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    • dad29 says:

      Actually, Tony Evers and Mayor Antaramian are the accessories, but not only to murder; add arson, riot, insurrection, felony vandalism, and grand theft.

      They give “Failure to perform” a whole new meaning.

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      • David Blaska says:

        Antaramian has been pretty stand up, actually.

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        • dad29 says:

          Who is really in command of the police department?

          Yes, Antaramian is ‘better’ than the ridiculous blob YOU have. But when he did NOT enforce curfew M-T-W, ……well…..

          I would suggest that Barrett is better than Antaramian, even though Barrett found a way to get rid of the best police chief Milwaukee has had since Brier.

          K-County Sheriff Beth is also a tool and there’s already a movement afoot to nominate a real lawman to replace him. Coming to a theater near you!!

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      • Alfred E. Nueman says:

        Isn’t this all happening in Trump’s Amerika?

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    • madisonexpat says:

      Murder? Where do you get that?

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  9. Larsen E. Whipsnade says:

    Of course Kyle Rittenhouse is a HERO. He stepped into the void created by the absence of the government protection of life, property rights and limb, and when pushed into a corner he took action. Action is long overdue. Older MEN should be ashamed that it took a boy to rise to the occasion. I predict Kyle will be long-remembered as a young hero who showed the way.

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    • Fritzderkat says:

      I would say that under the circumstances, Mr. Rittenhouse showed a rather remarkable sense of composure, and in defending himself proved to be a most competent shooter.

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      • Cornelius Gotchberg says:

        ” in defending himself proved to be a most competent shooter.”

        Unlike the video-game-trained POS miscreant wannabe thugs, for whom The Gotch can’t seem to muster much sympathy at all!

        The Gotch

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    • SWS says:

      Young Kyle had no idea what he was getting into that night in Kenosha. I doubt very much if he had answers to these questions, or had even thought about them:

      “If rioters seek to destroy a business that I do not own, can I use deadly force?”

      “If the cops don’t open fire on violent protesters who are setting fires, can I open fire?”

      I’ll agree that he wanted to help and should be applauded for his commitment to law and order, but he – 17 years old, with no military or police training – had no idea how to respond to the dangerous, highly fluid situations that he encountered.

      He’s not a hero, nor is he a villain. He’s a misguided kid who wasn’t ready for “prime time” and should have stayed home. Lest anyone think I’m a gun-grabber, I’ve been a life member of the NRA since May of 1973 and am retired from the Army, 30 years of service.

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      • David Blaska says:

        Yes, he should have stayed home. Yes, he is not a hero but in some ways a victim himself of what happens when elected leaders do not maintain order.

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      • dad29 says:

        “If rioters seek to destroy a business that I do not own, can I use deadly force?”

        “If the cops don’t open fire on violent protesters who are setting fires, can I open fire?”

        At what point in time–or distance–is “common defense” or “community” brought up, friend? We all understand “our wives, children, home, car”–but what about the next-door neighbor’s? The guy one block down? Do we ignore mayhem/arson/riot over there because “not MY problem”?

        Offer a definition for us and we can further the discussion.

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        • SWS says:

          [“Offer a definition for us and we can further the discussion.“] Don’t look to me “offer a definition” for us so we can further the discussion. My point was, if YOU decide to show up, armed, in the middle of a riot, then YOU had better know under what circumstances it is appropriate to use deadly force.

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  10. Lars says:

    Take the time to check out all the reports from people on the ground etc.
    It appears 2 or 3 involved had guns, the one who was shot in the arm has a pistol stuck in his grip, because he can’t let go, due to extensive muscle and nerve damage. 3- 4 people who were together with the 3 shot had guns at one time during the night. Rittenhouse was also hit with a skateboard. With what has happened over the last few months only a fool wouldn’t fear for their life.
    Look up the story on Rittenhouse and what he was doing during the day and why he was down there.
    Don’t be a twit like Evers, and jump to conclusions.
    It is tragic all around.
    imagine if thousands of good people showed up and put these Antifa scum, Racist BLM, and other Marxist filth in their place, and taught them with the utmost intensity, what happens when you try to destroy our country.

    There is a lot of info out there, take the time to find it before speaking from ignorance.

    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/08/29/antifa-rioting-in-kenosha-were-armed-and-spoiling-for-a-gunfight-and-they-found-one/

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  11. Alfred E. Nueman says:

    The racist POS went out hunting, why else would you walk around with an uncased gun. He got what he deserved. Thank God I’ll never have to worry of the chicken shit, smarter posters here doing something so stupid.

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    • SWS says:

      He wanted to prevent looting, how does that make him a racist?

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      • Batman says:

        If young Kyle is a racist so is the little weakling Alfred E Nueman and none to bright because his hunting accusation makes no sense.
        Alfred is a Evers/Satya fanboy.

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  12. Alfred E. Nueman says:

    Kyle’s a real stand up guy, what a lowly POS.

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  13. dad29 says:

    YOU had better know under what circumstances it is appropriate to use deadly force.

    I do.

    In exactly the same conditions under which Kyle used deadly force: the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm, self of others.

    Any other questions?

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  14. Mr. Forward says:

    “This is one hundred percent self-defense. It’s not even close. Kyle was actually attempting to put out a dumpster fire that the rioters had set.” Pierce went on, “The rioters got enraged by that.”
    “Pierce said Rittenhouse would have been killed had his client been unarmed.”

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